SABC Board response to submission made by unions; with Deputy Minister

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05 June 2018
Chairperson: Mr H Maxegwana (ANC)
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Meeting Summary

Following much communication between SABC unions and the Committee, the Portfolio Committee met with the unions on 4 May 2018 in Johannesburg. The unions' main concerns were the two sets of dismissals at the SABC. There was the dismissal of ± 200 employees allegedly involved in medical aid fraud and second was the dismissal of 26 television licence department employees due to an illegal go-slow. The four unions had been requested to provide written submissions to the Committee which had been summarised and sent them to the SABC Board for a response at this meeting. After hearing from the SABC Board the Committee will discuss the way forward and hold a follow up meeting with the unions to provide feedback all before Parliament rises on 15 June.

The unions also had concerns about the recognition of agreements as some unions are recognised while others are not. There were questions about the threshold to qualify for recognition as a trade union and how to deal with minority unions which do not meet threshold requirements as they had only limited rights.

The SABC Board Chairperson spoke about the agreements reached with the unions at a 28 May 2018 meeting. He stated that the tide was indeed turning at the SABC. The Board was confident it was on the right track following the meeting with the unions. They both agreed that the SABC Board would not deal with operational issues as these were dealt with at other levels. The Board was uncomfortable to have parallel processes. It does not think it is right to interfere because part of the reason the SABC reached a crisis was because there was no respect for mandate, process and procedure. It pleaded with the Portfolio Committee to help it restore order at the SABC which meant consequences when people have done the wrong thing and went against process and procedure. He said “there are no holy cows” and we must look at everything to ensure there is stability and a serious and realistic turnaround.

Members of the Committee expressed dissatisfaction with the SABC Board presentation and complained that it did not have enough details on the concerns raised by the labour unions, including the dismissals.

The Deputy Minister of Communications indicated the Ministry's willingness to engage the unions and SABC  leadership.

The SABC Board Chairperson pointed out that they had emailed the Committee two reports on these matters earlier. They had presented on the outcome of the meeting with the unions today in the belief that the Committee had read and engaged with those two reports and would then raise any points for discussion about them after the presentation.

The Committee was told that the CMMA had upheld the decision to dismiss the employees who had allegedly defrauded the medical aid scheme and the medical aid had laid criminal charges against them. On the matter of the 26 dismissed television licence department employees, the SABC wrote to the union to inform the workers to call off the go-slow strike because it was unprotected and therefore illegal. However, some Members were of the view that SABC had rushed this and may have acted harshly. It was agreed that the Ministry of Communications intervene.

The Chairperson confirmed the Board should still submit a thorough report to fill in the information gaps. When the Committee meets again it would receive the report and an update on the Minister’s intervention.
 

Meeting report

The Chairperson noted apologies from the Minister of Communications, Ms Nomvula Makonyane, and some of the Members. He urged the Committee that when it returns in August, Tuesdays must be set aside for meetings, there must be no absent Members from the Committee and the Ministry.

He provided background to the agenda. The Committee had met with the unions operating in the SABC, on 4 May 2018 in Johannesburg, following a lot of communication between the unions and the Office of the Committee Chairperson. In the main, two issues were raised. First was the dismissal of ± 200 employees who were allegedly involved in medical aid scheme fraud and second was the dismissal of 26 employees from the television licence department at the SABC.

It was submitted by the unions that due process had not been followed when employees were dismissed for alleged medical aid scheme fraud. Also some employees never had disciplinary hearings and could not represent themselves which, in their view, amounted to unfair dismissal. The employees who worked for the television licence department said the Media Workers’ Association of South Africa (MWASA) had advised them to embark on a go-slow. Due to this, they were dismissed by SABC. The four unions had agreed with the Committee that the representations the unions made at the 4 May meeting must be documented and sent to the Committee. After the unions submitted their submissions, the Committee support staff made a summary of these and sent them to the SABC Board Chairperson. The Committee was of the view that it was necessary to meet with the SABC Board to discuss the matter. After hearing from the SABC Board, the Committee will discuss the way forward and before Parliament rises a follow up meeting will be held with the unions to report on the Board feedback.

The unions also had concerns about the recognition of agreements as some unions are recognised while others are not. There were questions about the threshold to qualify for recognition as a trade union and how to deal with minority unions which do not meet threshold requirements as they had only limited rights. All workers in a workplace must have a voice. The code of conduct had also been raised as a matter. The Committee had tried to source all supporting documents to understand how the SABC Board operates with the unions. The Committee plays an oversight role and that was the spirit in which the meeting was being held. When citizens report problems to the Committee it has to respond on their behalf, as public representatives. The meeting would be a briefing and engagement with the SABC Board.

SABC response to submission made by unions
SABC Board Chairperson, Mr Bongumusa Makhathini, introduced his delegation.

The Committee Chairperson extended a warm welcome to the new Group Executive: Human Resources at SABC, Mr Jonathan Thekiso, and said human resources were a critical matter for the Committee in trying to mend the broken parts of the public broadcaster. Human Resources was at the centre of the challenges at SABC. So, he especially welcomed him and told him he had a big task ahead but was confident that he would rise to the challenge. For the past year, the SABC has been in trouble and all Committee members stand strongly against unemployment. Government trying to reduce unemployment as mentioned by the President in the State of the Nation Address.

Mr Makhathini emphasised that the public broadcaster’s work is not limited only to the news but they are also responsible for entertainment and education to audiences across all nine provinces. It was important for Members to understand that it was responsible for more than just news. The organisation has a staff complement of 3 423 employees in the different categories of permanent, fixed term and freelance, or non-permanent employees. The mix was very important to the nature and size of the business. It was not necessary to have everyone permanently employed as some were seasonal or worked per project. The SABC does have independent contractors as well. It was then important to define an employee as in the Labour Relations Act. An independent contractor’s engagement was only for a definite timeframe, there will be a start and an end. The definition was again important because people often confused permanent workers with temporary workers. The manner in which it deals with employees is based on the nature of the contract which guides how to deal with the employee.

He moved on to talk about the unions at the SABC which were: Communication Workers Union (CWU), Broadcasting Electronic Media and Allied Workers Union (BEMAWU), Media Workers’ Association of South Africa (MWASA). The two recognised unions are CWU and BEMAWU. It had one limited rights union, MAWASA, and so three unions are currently operational at the SABC. MWASA is currently not meeting the threshold of 500 employees. SABC had concluded a recognition agreement with CWU on 20 April 2011. It has 861 members and met the required threshold. BEMAWU concluded a recognition agreement and has 1122 members currently. A limited organisational rights agreement was concluded with MWASA which has 386 members.

The SABC Board had a meeting with the three unions on 28 May 2018 to attend to the concerns raised with the Portfolio Committee. It reached the following agreements with the unions;
• SABC would embark on a renewal process to re-establish its relationships with the unions. The unions are a very important partner for SABC - they are strategic stakeholders. Any hopes of turnaround at SABC had to involve the employees. However, unions also have a role to play in ensuring sustainability of the SABC.
• Trust was at the core of it all - there must be trust between the board, management and the unions.
• Everyone agreed to comply with policies and follow correct processes and procedures even when there are disputes. An organisation that does not follow process is hard to manage.
• Organised labour would be part of strategic input via the forums established to engage unions at a strategic level. Operational matters will be dealt with at HR level and if needs be then escalated to the Executive members, then to the Commission for Conciliation Mediation and Arbitration (CCMA) and then Labour Court.
It is not the duty of the Board to interfere with operational matters. It is not running the organisation on a day-to-day basis and must allow enough space for the Executive to run and manage the organisation. If the Board interferes on day-to-day matters, it is going to become problematic. As noted, the SABC was coming from a very abnormal situation and acknowledged that but it had to get back to normality.
• Escalation was also important if one does not get joy. However, not giving internal processes a fair opportunity became problematic for the Board.
• The Public Broadcaster is a national key point so some of its information was confidential. It was not acceptable that sensitive information was leaked to the media. They agreed with the unions that such information requires confidentiality and sensitivity to help restore the reputation and credibility of the SABC. Otherwise it would create the impression that the organisation was dysfunctional, while in the meantime a lot had been done and that was no longer the position.
• The Group Executive HR would hold monthly workshops with the unions to create a platform for discussion on operational matters.
• Unions were happy with the system and very receptive to the direction the SABC was taking and were confident in what had been done.

The SABC Board Chairperson commented that the tide was indeed turning at the SABC. It was confident it was on the right track following the meeting with the unions. The SABC Board had agreed with the unions that the Board would not deal with operational matters. Some of the matters raised with the Committee were operational. These were dealt with at different levels. Some were been dealt with internally through disciplinary hearings, some were at the CMMA, and some at other levels. The Board was uncomfortable to have parallel processes. It does not feel right that it should interfere because part of the reason the SABC got into the situation it was in was because there was no respect for the mandate, processes and procedures. It pleaded with the Portfolio Committee to help it restore order at the SABC which will mean consequences when people have done the wrong thing and went against process and procedure. He said “there are no holy cows”. We must look at everything to ensure there is stability and a serious and realistic turnaround of the organisation.

Discussion
The Committee Chairperson said the presentation left out something that was not an operational matter. The Committee needed to understand the SABC just as the Board does. He requested clarity on the union threshold of 500 employees. “Is it based on a percentage of the workforce? What is the percentage of the workforce that gives you that 500 threshold?” On the two main matters raised to the SABC Board, he asked if SABC management was still handling the cases or not. The Committee needed a briefing on the current position on these two matters. It understands the executive and senior management were responsible for the day-to- day operations at the SABC. He explained that when the Committee requests the Board input, it also included executive management (CEO, CFO and COO) as well so they can respond to the operational matters. He asked if the 26 television licence staff were permanent employees or independent contractors. This information was available to the Board and this was what the Board was meant to report on. It was not an operational issue and it was information that the Board should have already. The Committee was not asking the Board for every detail or to interfere in operational matters. He also asked about Information Communication and Technology Union (ICTU). That union had also made a submission and the Committee had met with four unions, and not only three as per the Board presentation. Those were the gaps in the Board presentation. The Committee was also skeptical of getting into operational matters which was not its space.

Mr M Tseli (ANC) was concerned about the approach of the SABC Board Chairperson as he understood him to be saying the issues entertained were not strategic but operational. He challenged that. The Board is saying it met with the unions and dealt with matters it was not supposed to? There is a problem with that approach. If people are not happy, they must run to Parliament. There is nothing wrong with the unions approaching Parliament. If operational matters are presented to the Board, his view was that those must be taken to the management team to get clarity and then report to the Committee that the issues were operational but the Board engaged with management and this was the feedback. Now the Committee was compromised because it had nothing to report back to the unions as it had not received feedback on the matters raised. There was no feedback on the alleged medical aid scheme fraud. Also, the position of freelancers was difficult to understand with regards to the collective agreements. The response document did not do justice to the matters as raised so it would make it difficult for when the Committee reports back to the unions. “How do we go forward?” He pleaded with the Board to assist the Committee to prepare for its meeting with the unions before Parliament rises as it had committed.

The Chairperson told the SABC Board that the Committee expects responses from them at the meeting. It cannot compile a comprehensive document on the Organised Labour submissions and not get responses from the SABC. There are no responses provided in the two-page presentation. After receiving the submissions, the Board had the opportunity to consult with the people dealing with the operational matters. The presentation was not what the Committee wanted. It expected responses from the SABC Board at this meeting on the matters raised.

Mr N Xaba (ANC) thought the presentation would respond specifically to the submissions in a substantive manner but the presentation was only a few pages and was not even numbered. He requested the Board to clarify whether the 26 television licence division employees were still employed at the SABC, were they still included in the total head count given in the presentation? “How many union members were there currently? What was a limited organisational rights agreement; is that another term for memorandum of understanding? He believed the Board stating it was responsible only for strategic and not operational matters was an academic response. When dealing with bread-and-butter issues of unemployment, you cannot hide behind terminology. The root causes must be addressed and the Board must not seek to be academic on practical matters. He queried where the presentation stated: "Group HR Executive will run monthly workshops with the unions" but then it states two workshops and one special workshop had been conducted to date. This was confusing and requested clarity.

Ms V Van Dyk (DA) was not convinced that procedures were followed for both sets of dismissals. “How was the new Board dealing with policies on the expulsion of employees?”. The SABC was currently holding inquiries on sexual harassment and editorial interference. Why was it not also investigating human resources as this was a huge issue as it was a bread-and-butter matter. She requested minutes of the meeting between the SABC and the unions. She asked about the outcome of the Werksmans dismissal procedure report and requested the report be given to the Committee. “How can the SABC create trust with its employees if they were not given the opportunity to represent themselves but were still dismissed?” Even SABC members who subsequently informed the medical aid and had the funds reversed were still found guilty and dismissed. What opportunity was afforded to the employees who could not afford private legal representation? “What was the action taken against the pharmacists and doctors involved in the medical aid scheme fraud, in what manner where they approached?” The Minister must investigate the processes in which the workers were dismissed.

Mr W Madisha (COPE) agreed with the SABC Board Chairperson comments: “we come from an abnormal situation and we need to get to normal again" and that there are "no holy cows". Indeed, that is where we need to start. There are many problems that happened and continue as a sequel to the Hlaudi Motsoeneng era and so some time is needed to deal with the problems, both strategic and operational matters. Yes, there were a great deal of problems with operational matters due to the past era. People from the SABC have been calling the Committee and it had meet with the unions. He proposed that discussions be held with everyone concerned so the right resolutions are taken. The Board must go back and re-look at the procedures followed and decisions taken to dismiss people, suspend them  or not pay their salaries. He advised that the SABC Board must go back and talk to "the works" to ensure there are proper solutions.

Mr N Kwankwa (UDM) said the Committee had compiled a substantive document of submissions for the SABC. The SABC  response was nothing short of an insult. It was evident that minimal time was spent compiling the presentation. He was of the stern view that the Committee should have sent back the Board to draft a proper report and should not have even discussed the non-responsive presentation.  Daily, they receive a flurry of messages and emails from SABC workers complaining about many problems and because the Committee does not want to interfere with operational matters it does not immediately respond. It waits for the SABC Board to respond. But instead the Board provides a three-page bullet point document that does not provide any content or deal with the matters. If the Board does not deal with operational matters how should the Committee approach this? It owed a responsibility to the public to report back to the them on matters of concern. He acknowledged the good work the Board had done so far but it needed to work with the Committee on these matters. He recommended the Board go back and be given more time to provide detailed responses with time frames on the proposed agreed actions. Since last week he had been receiving complaints from the workers and he cannot report to them based on the incomplete presentation.

Mr S Mncwabe (NFP) agreed that the report was not okay and that he was expecting much more. The presentation was confusing, it said the Board met with the unions and agreed matters would be dealt with at the relevant forums but as well went on to agree on others issues that should not even be regarded as an agreement. He made an example of the fact that the Organised Labour is an important stakeholder was not an agreement it was standard practice recognised in Labour, it was well known. Instead, he expected the Board to have said matters had been referred to the relevant forums and then reported on the resolution of the forums. The information on the monthly workshops with the unions was vague; what was the contents of the workshops? He recommended that the Board needs more time and should go back and provide what the Committee expected. The Committee needed to report back to the public on those operational matters. There was no reason to have provided a definition of an employee as part of the presentation that was also well-known. The Board was bringing dignity to the SABC and the Committee was aware of the good work and it is taking the organisation to the right direction but urged them to work together.

The Chairperson said the Committee was meant to have met with the SABC Board on 29 May 2018 but the broadcaster requested more time because it had met with the unions on 28 May 2018. So the meeting was postponed to today but the report was lacking. It was not even a report, it was just two pages.

Mr L Mbinda (PAC) said the Board Chairperson had asked the Committee to assist them in restoring stability at SABC but at the same time telling them it does not deal with operational matters. He disagreed and explained dealing with operational matters is different from interfering in operation matters (e.g. disciplinary hearings). The matters raised are to be dealt with by management and where management cannot deal with the them they are escalated to the Board so it cannot deviate from dealing with the matters. The organisation will never achieve its strategy if these matters of human resources are not resolved. This was reason a Board had specific committees such as HR, finance etc so to deal with those specific matters on an operational level at those committee forums. The Board Chairperson was expected to report all those matters to the entire board and cannot tell the Committee that it does not deal with operational matters. SABC had a lot of HR related matters and the Committee wants them attended to. It had expected the Board to report back on the specifics of each issue; the current state, what had been done, what would be done and when. The Members expect to be familiarised on the thresholds and what informs them so to be able to report back to the public accordingly. If meetings were held with the unions the Board should then be in the position to respond to the matters that had been raised.

Mr M Kalako (ANC) said that in the absence of a proper report, as expected, it would have been better if the Board had come and presented the matters of dismissal so the Committee would better understand. It is not the CCMA or the Labour Court but the Board could have at least informed the Committee about the matters raised so that the Committee was aware. The Board’s reluctance to respond was creating problems. There are staff members who complained that they had resigned but were then given letters of dismissals. These are the matters the Board was expected to report on. Perhaps the Committee should have met with executive management instead and not the Board; however the Board had a committee where HR matters are dealt with and so it could have reported properly to the Committee. It must not be mistaken that the Committee was encouraging wrongdoing, it would never do that, but matters of dismissal and non-payment need to be clarified. People are involved; it is not just the workers but their families as well.

The Chairperson confirmed that summoning the Board was correct. The Board should have come with the executive management. It is nothing short of being an insult to come here and present this report knowing the magnitude of the problems at SABC. Why is the executive not present?

Deputy Minister of Communications, Pinky Kekana, appealed to the Board that the reason the SABC is top of the agenda of Parliament and the Portfolio Committee is precisely because of what the SABC Chairperson said, it is a national key point. The Department of Communications was also responsible for bringing stability and restoring integrity to the SABC. Staff morale was critical as it was only through the personnel that the SABC could be taken back to its glory. When the Board executes its fiduciary duties, it must always have the interests of the nation in mind – that the nation was expecting the restoration of the SABC. Matters of the SABC governance, mandate and funding model are on the Minister’s radar who was working closely with the SABC to resolve the challenges. Everyone must work together and the role of the Committee must not be perceived as micro-management. She informed the meeting that three employees had committed suicide while the human resource problems were ongoing so it was in their best interests that the matters were dealt with sensitively. She agreed that the Group CEO, CFO and COO should have come to give adequate feedback and report on the current position of the dismissals. “Rather over communicate than under communicate”, she advised the Board. Today was fruitless and wasteful engagement because the responses that should have been provided were not. However, she was not excusing herself and recognised the Department was equally responsible. The Ministry was considering visiting the SABC to investigate all the matters including the audit queries. It was always a challenge that some boards were implicated as part of the problem and she agreed with the Board Chairperson that there are no holy cows. The Minister and Deputy Minister had not had an opportunity to engage the unions and considering the seriousness it also called upon them to meet with them to assist in dealing with the problems. She asked why the SABC CEO and COO were not present at the meeting. In conclusion, she congratulated the SABC on their new logo and rebranding launch the previous day.

The Chairperson responded that the impact of the dismissals did not only affect the workers but their families as well. The Committee takes these matters seriously on behalf of the people. These problems came before the current Board and were problems dating back from 2015 but they had to be dealt with. The interest of the Committee was representing those people who are suffering and nothing else. When the Committee requests a report, the Board must provide one responding to all the matters.

Responses
SABC Board Chairperson, Mr Bongumusa Makhathini, responded that the Acting Group CEO was on sick-leave and the CFO and COO were urgently attending to audit queries. He corrected the supposition that the presentation was the only report sent to the Committee. “The Board respects the Committee and its role” he assured. Immediately upon receipt of the submissions sent by the Committee, it had submitted a detailed report on the employees alleged of medical aid scheme fraud and a report on the 26 television licence department employees. The two reports were sent to the Committee. The presentation was a report on the outcome of the engagements with the unions because it had already sent the two reports before the meeting. The Board was aware of the current positions of the two matters and these were currently being dealt with at the relevant levels. He re-emphasised that the two reports were sent well in advance.

Mr Mathatha Tsedu, SABC Board member, reported on the Werksmans inquiry recommendations. Instead of the recommendations being implemented, the people running the operations at the time under Hlaudi Motsoeneng decided the report was not going to be implemented. So, the matter was taken to the CCMA. The pension fund is not run by SABC but is an independent entity, he clarified, which went after the implicated pharmacists and doctors and some careers have been terminated by the specific institutions. When the current Board took over, it made the decision to implement the Werksmans inquiry recommendations and that communication was given to the unions. None of the people involved accepted the offer made. In the interim the medical aid decided to launch a criminal case of fraud against all the SABC employees allegedly involved. The situation currently was that the offer made by the Board cannot be implemented because the matter was a criminal case now.

SABC HR Group Executive, Mr Jonathan Thekiso, gave the update on the 26 call centre agents in the SABC television licence department. The agents embarked on a go-slow strike and management was made aware that the MWASA General Secretary had advised the agents to go on a go-slow. The impact of the go-slow was that the staff reported for duty but did not answer calls, turned off phone-lines and left their work stations for long periods of time. The SABC wrote to the MWASA General Secretary to inform the workers to call off the strike because it was unprotected and therefore illegal. The go-slow continued despite further communication addressed to MWASA and the workers to cease the go-slow. It was made clear to both that the strike was unprotected and illegal. The go-slow continued and the workers were placed on suspension with pay while undergoing disciplinary hearings. The employees were issued with charge sheets informing them properly of the allegations against them. The hearings were properly instituted and all were in attendance and MWASA testified on behalf of the accused employees. The employees were found guilty and the sanction was dismissal. After the dismissal, employees lodged an internal appeal. The workers were still regarded as SABC employees despite been dismissed. They had lodged an appeal which will be heard.

Mr Michael Markovitz, SABC Board member, added that the Board was under the impression the Committee had received the detailed reports sent earlier and would then request for more detail where needed. The Board highly respects the Committee and would not have just presented what it did, but had thought the Committee had received the detailed reports.

The Chairperson confirmed what Mr Thekiso had said about the process handled by the SABC Executive and the 26 were SABC employees and not independent contractors. He confirmed the two reports were sent to the Committee and circulated to Members electronically. There was now a documented response on the matters.

Ms M Matshoba (ANC) expressed that her heart was bleeding knowing that staff members were being dismissed, others in hospital and some even deceased. This should be avoided by all means necessary but she was not saying that corruption must be endorsed. She recommended another meeting with all the parties. The two reports received needed to be analysed first. In the interim she recommended that the dismissal be reversed temporarily to allow further engagement and analysis of the matters. She stressed she was not disrespecting the decision taken by the SABC executives but the matter had to be reviewed.

Mr Kalako confirmed that the two reports were received by the Committee Secretary who had sent them to the Members electronically which was perhaps why Members missed the reports and focused only on the paper document.

Mr Xaba was still of the view that the report was missing information. The medical aid scheme fraud report did not say whether any verdicts had been made yet. He was of the opinion perhaps the HR executive was acting on behalf of, and protecting, the SABC but was this what leadership advised? There should be a move to solve the problems and perhaps the dismissals should be temporarily withdrawn upon review.

Ms Van Dyk proposed that the two reports of the SABC be rejected as there was a lot of missing information. It was important the Committee received the Werksmans report. On the medical aid scheme fraud case, apparently there was a settlement agreement at the CCMA so why settle with ‘criminals’ while there were still criminal proceedings? Why did the 26 television division employees go on strike?

Mr Madisha thanked the Board for accepting the appointment and agreeing to take over and lead the SABC. There are momentous challenges ahead of them and they must understand SABC belongs to the people of South Africa. The Committee had to ensure that South Africans receive information. How many permanent workers are employed at the SABC? There are people complaining of being suspended and being underpaid and so the Committee requests the Board look into this so it can determine how to assist. When a person appeals, it does not mean that a person has in fact been sentenced. Through the appeal process, workers still have rights. He pleaded that until the appeal process was finalised, the employees must be kept on. The union membership thresholds and limited rights was a problem and the Board must go back and address it.

Mr Kwankwa said that the Committee was not trying to create the impression that it was not appreciative of the work and progress made by the new Board but as MPs they had the responsibility to ensure accountability. The two sent reports were missing the latest updates on the matters and he requested that the way forward must be clearly expressed with timeframes. The Minister’s intervention was important and he was pleased that the Department would also be doing follow up.

Mr Mbinda requested clarity on the dismissals, was it a decision to dismiss or a recommendation to dismiss? If it was a decision to dismiss, how can it now be withdrawn? Are the workers still employees or not? The Committee is not condoning bad behaviour but all avenues should be used before it had to interfere in operational matters.

Mr Kalako was concerned about the proposal to reverse the dismissal decision and he was against it.

The Chairperson confirmed the Board should still submit a thorough report to fill in the information gaps. It was clear that the medical aid scheme fraud case was before the criminal court and that process would have to be finalised. On the dismissal of the 26 television licence call agents, the Minister and Deputy Minister must look into the matter with the SABC Executive and Board Chairperson because it seems to have been a rushed process. When the Committee meets again, it would receive the thorough report and update on the Minister’s intervention. The meeting was adjourned.
 

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