Health &Social Development 4th Quarter Conditional Grant & Capital Expenditure: input from Provinces
NCOP Finance
11 May 2007
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FINANCE SELECT COMMITTEE
11 May 2007
HEALTH AND SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT 4TH QUARTER CONDITIONAL GRANT AND
CAPITAL EXPENDITURE: INPUT FROM PROVINCES
Chairperson: Mr Tutu Ralane (ANC, Free State)
Documents handed out:
Free State
Conditional Grant PowerPoint presentation
Free State Social
Development PowerPoint presentation
Eastern Cape
Department of Health PowerPoint presentation
Eastern Cape Social
Development presentation
Gauteng Health
PowerPoint presentation
Gauteng Conditional Grants
KwaZulu-Natal
PowerPoint presentation
KwaZulu-Natal Welfare
& Population Development presentation
Limpopo Conditional
Grants and Capital Expenditure presentation
Limpopo Capital
Expenditure presentation
Mpumalanga Health
Services Vote 10
Mpumalanga Social
Services Vote 13 PowerPoint presentation
Northern Cape
presentation
North West
Conditional Grants and CAPEX presentation
North West Capital
Infrastructure presentation
Western Cape Conditional Grants presentation
Western Cape Capital
Expenditure PowerPoint presentation
Health Services
Preliminary Outcome, National Treasury PowerPoint presentation
Social
Development Preliminary Outcome, National Treasury PowerPoint presentation
Audio Recording
of the Meeting
SUMMARY
Spending on the conditional grants to provincial Departments of Health had
increased during the Financial Year, and most provinces had been very close to
budget. There were reporting problems. Recurring themes in the individual
presentations were consistent underspending on the conditional grant for
forensic pathology and problems with the Department of Public Works.
Members questioned the level of planning in some departments. There was some
uncertainty over the nature of equipment being purchased, and if this was being
used effectively.
National Treasury in its overview of Social Development provincial departments,
said that there had been a shift of emphasis. There had been no additional
grants and little Capital Expenditure. Provinces were re-establishing their
social welfare functions, and there had been a small increase in funding.
Generally there was a substantial year-to-year growth.
Social development was being re-introduced as a priority issue. There was a
shortage of social workers in many areas. Another problem being experienced was
the control of pension pay points. In some provinces the situation was being
improved, although Members still expressed concern over the abuse of merchants
acting as pension agents both by increasing prices and by acting as loan
sharks.
MINUTES
National Treasury overview on provincial health departments
Dr Mark Bletcher (National Treasury) said that spending in the Health and
Social Development sectors had increased by a factor of 14% year on year.
Spending had been 100.6% of the budget. Over the years underspending had been a
problem. The lowest spenders had been North West (96%) and Eastern Cape (98%).
Overspending had been mainly on non-personnel and non-capital expenses. Capital
expenditure (Capex) had increased strongly. He gave a breakdown of the spending
patterns for each province. The nett overspend had been R 328 million. There
had been a general pattern of underspending on district services, and
overspending on hospital services, where there had been a growth of 10.8 %. The
biggest spending was on the central hospitals, where there were budget
problems. There was underspending in the area of personal impact.
He said that the provinces were expected to submit reports. By the end of the
last quarter, performance reporting had been poor. It was hard to comment on
spending patterns under these circumstances. One area where there had been good
spending was the HIV/AIDS programme, where delivery was strong.
Discussion
The Chairperson said the reports were a problem. The provinces were not
complying with the law. He felt that all of them should be placed in intensive
care.
Dr Bletcher said that a consolidated report had been sent.
Mr Malan, National Department of Health (DoH) spokesman, said that DoH received
reports from the provinces and consolidated them. It was difficult to send the
report without all the required information, and sections had to be left out.
The Chairperson asked who the culprits were, but Mr Malan did not have the
answers. Mr Ralane then instructed him to contact his office for the
information. The Committee had been attacked for sending people back. The
report must be provided for a successful discussion. He wanted to avoid blaming
all provinces when it might be only one or two that were in default.
Presentations by Provincial Departments of Health on Spending of
Conditional Grants
KwaZulu-Natal Department of Health
Ms N Phillips (General Manager, KwaZulu-Natal (KZN) DoH) said that the
information for the Treasury report was only due at the end of May. There was a
high precedence of tuberculosis in the province as well as drug-resistant
tuberculosis. A number of patients were receiving Anti-Retroviral Treatment
(ART). This was putting a lot of pressure on the province’s budget. There was
underspending on the conditional grant for forensic pathology. The hospital
revitalisation grant spending was reliant on the capacity of the Public Works
Department (PWD). Construction companies had objected to the tender process,
and this had stopped the expansion of the King George Hospital. There were a
number of challenges, including a scarcity of personnel. This was also a cause
of under-expenditure.
North West Department of Social Development
Mr Sello Lerumo (Chief Financial Officer (CFO), North West (NW) Social
Development) said that his province’s presentation covered a lot of
information. A weakness was in spending on conditional grants. The worst area
was that set aside for forensic pathology. The Department had only started
spending relatively late in the financial year (FY). Their spending on the
hospital revitalisation grant needed to be improved. A project had been
launched to improve on this. There had also been a delay with funding of
non-governmental organisations (NGOs). In all, the underspending of conditional
grants was 9%, but he hoped that there would be a difference in the coming FY.
The Chairpersons remarked that there had been an improvement in the last
quarter. There had been a similar trend in housing and agriculture. The province
must sustain its performance, and this would be a key challenge.
Limpopo Department of Health
The CFO of the Limpopo DoH said that there had been a 24% overspend on Capex.
There had been a cut in funding which affected the hospital revitalisation
grant. The situation was very stressed, and there had been an overspend on this
grant by R 54 million. Funds had been promised to address the shortfall.
Underspending in other areas had led to a R 7 million rollover. Twelve
mortuaries were under construction.
The Chairperson said that this was not a big problem. As Dr Bletcher said, it
was the bottom line that counted. Part of the challenge was the huge overspend
reported. In the North West, social development funded every department, and
there were pockets of money for each department.
Western Cape Department of Health
The spokesperson for the Western Cape (WC) DoH apologised for the small font
used in the handout, and for the small number of copies available. The WC had
spent 98% of its conditional grant funding, although the figure for forensic
pathology was just 58%. Part of the cause of this was the global funding
principle. Fluctuation in the Rand – US Dollar exchange rate was one of the
causes of underspending. Financial statements were still being done, and the
balance of the statements was of a technical nature. Underspending had largely
been in connection with infrastructure. Different projects were involved, but
all were now under construction, and would probably go over budget as
construction costs were escalating. There would be a rollover of R 28 million.
All monthly and quarterly reports, as well as business plans, had been
submitted.
Discussion
Mr Malan reported back to the meeting. He said that the national DoH had
submitted a report in the third quarter. The report for the fourth quarter was
only due on 14 May 2007. Some of the provinces had not reported on some of the
conditional grants, which hampered the compilation of a comprehensive report.
Mpumalanga had not reported on the hospital revitalisation grant. Eastern Cape
(EC), NW and Limpopo had not reported on the HIV/AIDS grant and Free State
(FS), Mpumalanga, KZN and NW had not reported on the health professionals
grant.
The Chairperson said that provincial departments must do as much as humanly
possible to submit all the required information.
Ms A Mchunu (IFP, KZN) asked for elaboration on what was happening with the PWD
in KZN. The spending patterns in Limpopo were shocking.
Mr M Robertson (ANC, EC) remarked on the small font of the Western Cape (WC)
presentation. KZN was following the same trend as in 2006 but their spending
was R 4 million higher. He had seen the excuses, and asked what the province
would do to rectify the situation. In NW, only 86% of the hospital revitalisation
grant and just 42% of the forensic pathology grant had been spent. He asked why
they did not start spending at the beginning of the FY. He asked why there was
no plan, and a manager was needed to ensure service delivery.
Ms S Nokuthula (ANC, Gauteng) observed that the figures for the HIV grant did
not seem to be up do date.
The Chairperson said that it was a fact that more funding was needed. However,
provinces were placed within the constraints of the available resources. Money
was being set aside for the forensic pathology grant. He discouraged members of
the Committee from talking as if they were on an Executive Committee. The
Select Committee was there to play an oversight role.
Ms Nokuthula commented on the monetary statistics presented, and asked if the
money being given to the provinces was producing results.
The Chairperson replied that the information was there on the provincial
budgets. They had to cover mortuaries, hospital visits and primary health cover
visits.
Mr M Hogg (Program Manager KZN Hospital Revitalisation) said that the
contribution of PWD was not good. However, the situation had improved since the
end of 2006. Joint meetings were being held and a task team had been appointed.
Certain issues had been discussed the previous week, and there would be
quarterly reporting. The KZN DoH was revising the current agreement to ensure
that its terms were met. A project management team had been appointed to manage
the hospital revitalisation grant. This team would monitor performance on the grant.
They were working on approval of a private/public partnership. In terms of
forensic pathology, it was a problem to get staff. There was a shortage of
technical expertise. A submission was needed from PWD about the mortuaries. The
DoH was trying to get land, but there were delays in the process. In terms of
ARV treatment, they had set a target of 60 000 patients, but in fact treated 76
000 by the end of the FY. There was still a certain protocol around positive
HIV tests.
The NW MEC for health said that the reasons for the late start to the spending
were before the Committee. Contractor capacity was a reason for the lagging of
the hospital revitalisation programme. They would have to intervene with PWD.
This had not really been a planning problem, but more lax management. Problems
had not been dealt with early. In terms of the forensic pathology grant, the
root cause of the underspending had been poor management. Personal issues had
resulted in delays. Money for recruitment had not been spent. The causes had
been discovered, and proper administration was now in place.
The Chairperson said this was not an unusual situation. He hoped that NW would
soon have the capacity to use its allocations. More funding would now be
available. People or groups could be called to appear before the Committee at
any time. The focus needed to be in municipalities. The Provincial
Infrastructure Grant (PIG) had now been renamed the Infrastructure Grant for
Provinces (IGP). This grant contained a huge allocation. However, under-performing
sectors would be punished. Each province had its own PWD. He added that a
province may allocate an amount not exceeding 4% of its budget to acquire
capacity. This had been 1%.
Mr Robertson said that the monitoring team in KZN was experiencing the same
problem as in Gauteng. He asked why the departments did not monitor themselves.
The structure was top heavy. Contracts in Limpopo had failed, and he asked if
there had been credibility checks on the contractors. Personal issues had to be
put aside to ensure service delivery. Heads of Department and MECs had to face
the Committee, but PWD was not making itself available. He requested that they
should attend the Committee as well
Ms Mchunu suggested that funds not spent should be used for the training of
community workers.
The Chairperson said that all delegations owed the municipalities in their
provinces some money. This should be resolved as soon as possible.
Health And Social Services, Mpumalanga
The MEC for Health and Social Services in Mpumalanga said that spending had
been at about 91%. The Department had had to deal with a number of challenges,
such as infrastructure development and capital work. They had introduced a
three year plan, and an operational support team had been put in place. The
Social Services Cluster was finalising a plan. They were concentrating on
infrastructure. Teams were deployed at district level. Technical assistants
were being appointed. There was a challenge in the capital budget due to the
late appointment of contractors. With the forensic services, there were
infrastructure problems. Planning was poor, and there were service problems.
The equipment was old, as were the vehicles. He estimated a roll over of R 18
million. There would be better control by June 2007. In terms of the Health
Professionals grant, this still had to be discussed with Limpopo, as there were
some transfer funds owing.
The Chairperson asked Limpopo to resolve this matter.
The Limpopo MEC said that there was an arrangement to claim the money back.
Mpumalanga had spent Limpopo’s funds.
The Chairperson said that the Committee would mediate.
Eastern Cape Department Of Health
Mr Phumla Vazi (CFO, Eastern Cape DoH) said that there had been a late approval
for a budget adjustment. This had only happened in March when it should have
been approved in October 2006. This was a reason for their underspending. The
overall figure here was R 38.9 million. There had been an upsurge in HIV/AIDS
treatment. More staff were needed and more tests needed to be done. There were
related costs. Tests were done on the PCR. The forensic pathology program had
got off to a slow start, and there were internal management problems. These had
now been sorted out. Coega had been appointed to assist with project
management. Some equipment had also not been delivered. There were insufficient
funds for the hospital revitalisation grant. Monitoring and evaluation were
needed.
Gauteng Department of Health
Ms Tabisa Majaja (CFO, Gauteng DoH) said that 94% of the conditional grant budget
had been spent. The biggest challenge was in the hospital revitalisation grant.
Senior people had been appointed as project managers.
Northern Cape Department of Health
Mr D Gaberone (CFO, Northern Cape DoH) said that the Northern Cape (NC) had spent
84% if its conditional grant funding to date. They had spent 100% of their
allocation of the PIG. A new hospital had been opened in Garies the previous
day. Of the grant for forensic pathology, 55% had been spent and 75% of the
grant for hospital revitalisation. There had been a problem with contractors.
One official was handling man projects. He would be getting some technical
assistants. There had been a delay in the provision of equipment and vehicles.
Permission for the purchase of these had been granted late. Some of the
contractors had been late with their invoicing. There was a challenge in
maintaining staff levels. Of the CAPEX budget, 76% had been spent. Other
commitments had been made.
Discussion
The Chairperson asked about the 60 clinics that were built in the EC. There
were no roads leading up to them. He asked if these were part of the plan to
build outstanding facilities through Integrated Development Plans (IDPs).
Ms Majaja said that funds had been transferred through the PIG. Contractors
would be on site on 1 June to renovate the Cecilia Matiwane Hospital. PIG Funds
should be transferred for this. Results should be felt immediately.
Ms Nokuthula said that there was a problem with the spending on forensic
pathology services in the EC. The progress in Northern Cape was slow. Two
projects had been suspended. She asked where the problems lay.
Mr E Sogoni (ANC, Gauteng) commented on the new hospital being built in
Natalspruit. He asked what had been done to rectify underspending. There seemed
to be a planning problem. The EC had overspent by 19.8% on its AIDS programme,
and he asked what the problem was. While the whole country was talking about
expansion, the health sector was excluded. Hospitals were an essential service.
All the projects listed in the EC’s presentation were old. Monitoring of
projects was a challenge generally. In the Northern Cape, the PWD should be
present at this meeting. He asked if they were performing well. The national
DoH should address the problems with the general underspending on forensic
pathology grants. There had to be a move towards service delivery.
Ms Mchunu said that Mpumalanga was procuring vehicles for its mortuary
services. The EC was not doing enough with its hospital revitalisation program.
She asked if the budget was sufficient.
The Chairperson read an extract from the Auditor General’s report. Some of the
funds indicated on the national DoH business plan were not approved. There were
no service level agreements with national treasury. Payments were made to
suppliers without VAT registration numbers. Incorrect cleaning procedures were
being applied. Various problems had also been reported on hospital inspections.
He requested a written response in regards of the irregularities.
Mr Vazi replied that his department was managing its problems. The person
responsible for some of the blockages had been moved to another job, but there
had been a lapse in running some of their projects. Replacement of staff was
slow, and their retention process was lacking. However, the EC DoH was making a
dramatic recovery.
The Chairperson asked how credible the information was.
Mr Vazi said that the format of the reporting was quite strict. Information was
verified against the business plan. There was a challenge in dealing with
services.
Mr Sogoni asked at what stage they found themselves. Gauteng seemed to be using
the PIG well.
Mr Vazi said that they could not successfully resolve all their issues, and the
outcome of the resolution process slowed expenditure. They needed to be able to
anticipate problems and plan for this. A unit had been set up for monitoring
and evaluation, and it was partly populated already. Everyone needed to know
about this process. EC was tapping into the PIG for the first time, and
health’s portion was R 150 million.
Ms Majaja said that underspending was a challenge. It was more a question of
having tighter monitoring of projects than poor planning. Early warning reports
should alert management to underspending. Audits should be carried out on provincial
departments.
The Mpumalanga MEC said that there had been delays with their appointment of
service providers. This was especially the case with the ambulance service in
Secunda. The other delays were occurring in the procurement of equipment. Some
had to be sourced outside the country. The supply chain management process was
not always monitored thoroughly. Many of the quotes received were unrealistic.
It was essential that proper vehicles were available for the transport of
bodies. PWD should be looking for local solution, and various role players
should be involved. The pace of delivery was increasing. Problems were being
addressed which were intrinsic to the department, but service delivery was
suffering.
The Chairperson said that PWD would have to be called to the Committee.
Provinces had to ensure that their processes would lead to service delivery.
Issues of capacity building should be addressed within each department, and
inter-governmental channels could be used to resolve problems.
Mr Gaberone commented on the slowness of projects. People were concerned as his
province was one of the practice sites for the 2010 World Cup. Progress was
being made at various hospitals, but there were still problems. There had been
agreement on future allocations, but nothing had appeared. Earthworks had been
done for new hospitals at De Aar and Upington. However, by the time these
projects were picked up again all the wiring and piping might have to be
redone. They had access to their provincial PWD, who were involved in
discussions.
Mr Sogoni remarked that there had been no adjustments had been made with the
project at Upington.
Mr Gaberone said that there was no person to monitor progress.
Mr Robertson commented on the reasons for overspending. He asked if hospital
equipment had arrived and been installed. His information was that machinery
was in place, but no operators were available. There were no roads leading up
to new clinics, and he asked if these were functional or standing empty. A
totally new Cecilia Matiwane hospital was being built, and he asked what would
happen with the old one.
Mr Vazi said that the new equipment had not yet been installed, but was being
kept in storage until construction was finished. There were no radiologists at
Ukahlmaba, and he would follow up on that.
The Chairperson advised him to submit a written reply to this question within
the next two weeks.
Mr Vazi said that the Cecilia Matiwane hospital was being rebuilt as from 1
June 2007. It was a beautiful new design. Initially the two facilities would
operate on a dual basis, with the new building eventually replacing the old.
Mr Malan said that the present position was that if a province overspent, then
the money would be taken out of the equitable share allocation. The national
DoH could approach National Treasury. Grants were made progressively towards
the end of the year. It was not true that the DoH was stagnating. It could
occur that overspending and underspending happened in the same province.
Dr Bletcher said that the infrastructure program had expanded. Spending had
trebled. The Rand value of infrastructure problems had also trebled to R 2.6
billion, and another R 800 million had been added. Negotiations had started
around the 2010 process, and areas of work were to be determined. Projects
would scale up more rapidly than the current 20%.
The Chairperson recommended a workshop to find solutions. He said that the
Committee’s business with the DoH was complete.
Social Development Provincial Departments presentations
Dr Bletcher said there had been a shift of emphasis. There had been no
additional grants and little Capex. Provinces were re-establishing their social
welfare functions, and there had been a small increase in funding. Generally
there was a substantial year-to-year growth.
Limpopo Department of Social Development
The Limpopo CFO said that his Department was running to 100% capacity. The
budget had received a good increment with the latest medium term financing
review. The Social Development function was being funded, and there was a
challenge to spend wisely.
Mpumalanga Department of Health and Social Services
The Mpumalanga MEC said that the social development function was not being
dealt with by a dedicated team, and the human resources were inadequate. There
was no strategic position on infrastructure development, but they were
grappling with this problem. There was a new mode of work, and it was very
difficult to adapt. The internal capacity of the department was an issue
because of poor planning. The number of staff had increased from 514 to 788,
but there was still a high vacancy rate. External capacity was also a problem.
There was a monitoring capacity. Weekly discussions were held and the situation
was reviewed on a quarterly basis. If they looked at the expenditure in the
last quarter, then the situation would have to improve. Leadership was filing
to carry over the enthusiasm from the last few months of the FY to the new FY.
Free State Department of Social Development
The spokesperson from the Free State Department of Social Development said that
the province had spent up to 99% of its capacity, mostly on buildings. Of the
budget for vehicles and office furniture, 98% had been spent. It was a good
story.
Western Cape Department of Social Development
Mr J Smith (CFO, WC Department of Social Development) said that the capital
budget lay with the provinces PWD. This was mainly transferred to
municipalities. Other funds were spent on office furniture and computers. Most
of the money had been spent by the last quarter of the FY. The Department had a
small budget.
Discussion
The Chairperson asked if there was any reporting from the municipalities
regarding the transferred funds, especially regarding performance.
Mr Smith replied that there were service level agreements in place. Progress
reports were provided as required.
Mr Sogoni said that the Committee should be alerted to something, namely the
way in which money was spent in the last month of the final quarter of the FY.
If money was allocated to the municipalities only at that late stage of the FY,
it would not be possible for them to start work immediately, but only in the
new FY. He asked why these allocations were not made earlier. He noted that
Mpumalanga was trying to get out of the metaphoric intensive care unit, but
others refused to do this. He asked if the linking of DoH to welfare was
working. Social development as being re-established. This was not the first
time he had heard of these problems, although other provinces were not as
frank.
The Chairperson asked how money was disbursed to municipalities. He thought
that there might be a set formula. It seemed that this was only happening in
the WC.
Mr Smith replied that appropriate funding was transferred for the year, and the
allocation was spread over the entire FY. There were clear indications of this.
Service level agreements were in place. Most of the transfer funds were used
for the establishment of multi-purpose centres. Fourth quarter reports from
municipalities had to indicated how money from the first quarter had been spent
in accordance with the agreement.
The Chairperson required a copy of the provincial Division of Revenue Act. The
Division of Revenue Act (DORA) contained a formula for funds transfer on the
basis of backlogs and similar situations. The Municipal Infrastructure Grant
contained a particular formula. Approximately 70% of the MIG went to
sanitation, roads and water supply. There was also money for multi-purpose
centres.
Mr Robertson said that in the WC the amounts transferred were indicated. There
was a lack of capacity in some municipalities. He asked what, if any, of the
transferred funds was spent.
Mr Sogoni said that amounts were different from one area to another. Some of
the persons visiting the Committee had been there the first time the issue was
discussed. The provinces were there to be assisted by the Committee, and to be
partners. Reports had to be truthful.
The Chairperson said that it seemed there was no planning. In some of the
multi-purpose centre locations, there were still discussions about the venue of
the site. He asked why money should be given for this purpose when the
Department could rather be use it to build capacity. The issue was planning.
Mr Smith said that he would check if the money allocated had been spent, and
collect reports. The amounts were not totals. Funding depended on the size of
the centres. The money set aside by the province was only a portion of the
total cost. Municipalities made a contribution themselves, and in some cases
there was also donor funding. There were limits on capital spending, and these
were substantial if there was a late transfer. Provinces first had to ensure
that their capacity was in place.
The Chairperson said that Mr Smith should not generalise. He asked which
municipalities he was talking about, and what they were doing. The reports
spoke of symptoms in all provinces. In Mpumalanga there was a lack of a sense
of urgency. He asked what the HoDs were doing. There was huge spending on
salaries, but he asked if these people were doing anything more than earning
salaries.
Mr Sogoni said that the WC had to present a full report.
Kwa-Zulu Natal Social Welfare
Mr Rodney Mthethhwa (CFO, Social Welfare KZN) said that the infrastructure
budget was captured in the KZN presentation. The challenge lay in the rural
areas. There was a lack of office accommodation.
The Chairperson interrupted, saying that there were many open buildings in the
province. He did not see how office space could be lacking under the
circumstances.
Mr Meshack Radebe (MEC for Social Welfare, KZN) said that many of the empty
building alluded to were not usable, but others were being renovated.
The Chairperson then described the situation at pension pay-out points. There
were long queues and many pensioners slept over on the night before pay-out.
There were no ablutions. A proper infrastructure was needed.
Mr Radebe said that the system was working very well now. The pensioner
committees which had taken charge of the payout points were nothing but trouble
makers. These committees had now been disbanded, and elected councillors were
now being used to control proceedings. On the last payout day, all pensions had
been paid by 9.45 am. They were winning this battle. The previous Wednesday
there had been a cash heist at one point at approximately 7.10 am, but payments
had commenced by 11.00 am. The plan was to provide a one-stop shop concept of
services, using multi-purpose centres.
Discussion
Mr Roberston said that there was a shortage of social workers. There were
many abuses being committed, and workers were needed. He criticised the KZN
strategic plan for a lack of dates.
The Chairperson said that answers would emerge over a five year period.
Overarching targets had been set. The number of social workers was an issue,
while he would like to see health and ablution issues addressed at the pay
points.
Mr Radebe said he had been in London recently, and had seen South Africans
starving there. He had been part of a delegation which had persuaded 850 to
return to South Africa, and they would be deployed in deep rural areas for a
five year period. Business would sponsor the tickets for some.
The Chairperson said there were thousands of people who could be trained. He
suggested that the opportunity be used to offer life skills training to people
waiting in pension queues. A basic library could also be run. Social work
needed to consider the unemployed and hungry.
MEC Radebe said that health workers were deployed in the rural areas, and also at
pay points. Several volunteers were in place, and more were being trained.
Free State Social Development Department
The Free State spokesperson said that there was a program to determine the
adequacy of social workers. They had received money for bursaries, and wanted
to assist the University in increasing the output of social workers. There was
a need to develop a database. Some very old cases were still not complete.
There was a process underway of determining the extent of the overload. Pay
points had been registered, and were proving a great success.
The Chairperson said he was developing some ideas for an oversight visit.
Mpumalanga Health and Social Services
The Mpumalanga MEC said that there was a transfer of skills taking place.
People were being trained, and the complement of social workers was being
increased. Auxiliary workers were also being trained, which would release
qualified social workers from less urgent tasks. Students were being funded and
bursaries were available.
The Chairperson said that a member of the Committee from Mpumalanga would check
the issues and use a suitable occasion to verify what was happening there.
Eastern Cape Department of Social Development
Mr Sam Kwelita (MEC for Social Development, EC) welcomed the experience of
being at the meeting.
Mr Denver Webb (Head of Department, EC Department of Social Development)
apologised for copies of the presentation being late. The Department had a
budget of R 26.3 million, of which 80% was allocated for projects. They did not
transfer money to the municipalities, but instead worked with the local PWD.
Exact figures were included in the presentation. Spending had been constant
through the FY. Problems had been addressed. The infrastructure budget was not
large, and had to be spread throughout the province. Office space was limited,
and some officials were working from caravans. There was a need to prioritise
infrastructure development. Up to five social workers had to share an office,
with the result that the rest would have to wait outside unproductively while
the other was interviewing someone. Of the budget of R 26.3 million, R 21
million had been spent. There was an improvement in the ability of the
department to monitor capacity. The challenge was that as of 1 April 2006,
there had been a vacancy rate of 51%. This equated to 498 posts, and there were
only 24 Chief Social Workers. More posts had been advertised. Many staff had
moved across to established social agencies. This resulted in capacity
constraints.
Discussion
The Chairperson requested Mr Robertson to follow up on the matters raised.
Mr Robertson asked if there were delays in the tender process. Something was
being done wrong, and the question was how to deliver services.
Mr C van Rooyen (ANC, Free State) asked how much of the Capex was going to BEE
companies. There had been a reprioritisation of funds to emergency renovations,
and he asked what was happening with the projects which had originally been
identified. On the EC presentation, he asked how the 51% vacancy rate related
to the 495 vacancies.
Mr Robertson commented on the shops that served as pension pay points in some
areas. He alleged that they put up their prices before the payment date. Money
was only given to pensioners for the purchase of groceries.
Ms D Robinson (DA, Western Cape) asked if there was an internal program for
social workers. She asked how many were involved, particularly in the rural
areas.
The Chairperson bemoaned the loan sharks preying on pensioners. He would only
allow the delegations two weeks to provide the Committee with answers.
Information was needed. Provincial departments should also look at the issue of
food prices. Some of the pension agents were themselves loan sharks.
MEC Kwanita agreed that some agencies were lending money.
Mr Webb said that CPS lent money to pensioners, and then deducted the
repayments from their pensions. They had been taken to court, lost the case on
appeal and now had to pay the money back to the pensioners.
The Chairperson said that they should all be informed by the bill of rights.
There would be a horrible cost to pay in enforcing this, and unpopular
decisions would have to be made, but government would be doing the right thing.
The submissions would be taken into consideration.
Ms Robinson asked about the question of internships.
The Chairperson said he would be asking for a survey to be done on this matter.
Hearings would be held on 23 May covering Education, PWD and Sport.
The meeting was adjourned.
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