Chairperson, thank you for your ruling. [Interjections.] No, you have made a ruling and we will adhere to that ruling. Having said so, that member must never be allowed to threaten Ma Khawula like that, verbally and even making hand gestures. If guests can also not behave, then they must leave because we are at work and we have every obligation to also protect this debate that we are coming to attend.
Secondly we have been raising this language issue several times and we all know that Ma Khawula is challenged pertaining to languages. So, why is it now an issue that we are suggesting that she must get the isiZulu interpretation? If we can't sort out this isiZulu interpretation absence each and every time when we are having debates, they must stop. We can't have this problem continuously, asking for the interpretation and then a clown just up comes up and say Ma Khawula is dump. [Interjections.] It must never be allowed!