Deputy Chairperson, I'm asking you. I'm not contesting the ruling, but I am asking you as the presiding officer who is supposed to actually make sure that freedom of speech is protected in this House that once points of debate are considered as points of order, it is very, very, very concerning situation if a presiding officer themselves and the members of the five years don't know the difference between the point of debate and the point of order. Then the electorate out there should seriously consider if it is the kind of people they want to be presented ... [Interjections.] ... Thank you.