Hon Minister, I think one of the indicators that there is light at the end of the tunnel - you referred to this earlier on when you spoke about auditing firms - Many colleagues and I serve on the Standing Committee on the Auditor-General, AG, and we have insisted that the audits of all state- owned enterprises must be done by the office of the Auditor-General themselves and not outsourced to private companies. Because many of these companies have dubious backgrounds and I don't want to mention names here.