May I also ask in that current spirit that we finally get the ruling on Mr Dirks showing the middle finger to this House?
Hon member, you know that the person who was presiding would make that ruling if the time comes, but also as you know that the matter was referred to the Ethics Committee, so that matter is being dealt with them.
Hon Chair, I think there is a certain value system you can't change in ideology, in particular that of liberals which is very fixated for instance, they don't believe that in the development you need to create conditions for the weak to also participate and get to a level of the strong.
So, if you read a book "kicking away the ladder", it will demonstrate to you how the liberal strength of the free trade strength leadership of England was built on colonising African countries, so that England could actually prosper. It is recorded. It is in laws and you