Hon Chairperson, on behalf of the Select Committee on Social Services allow me to table its Report on the National
Public Health Institute of South Africa known as NAPHISA Bill 16(b) of 2017. The Bill was referred to the Select Committee on Social Services by the Portfolio Committee on Health on 28 August 2018. From that date, the Select Committee on Social Services received a briefing. We had public hearings after briefing the provinces.
On 26 February 2019, the select committee met to consider the final mandates on the National Public Health Institute of South Africa Bill 16(b) of 2017. On the day, hon Chair, allow me to indicate that written final mandates that we received were seven and I also want to indicate that we did receive verbally a support from Limpopo. The only outstanding written mandate was in Gauteng.
As a committee, we therefore supported the National Public Health Institute of South Africa Bill 16(b) of 2017 with the amendments made after the public hearings. I so table the Report for the Council consideration. [Applause.]
Debate concluded.
Question put: That the Bill be agreed to.
In favour: Eastern Cape, Free State, KwaZulu-Natal, Limpopo, Mpumalanga, Northern Cape, Western Cape.
Abstain: Gauteng.
Setswana:
Jaanong, De Beer o beilwe ke mang? De Beer, o beilwe ke mang?
English:
Can I listen to the Western Cape! Please, members. Hon members! Your behaviour is really not honourable, wa itse [you know]. I don't know why you are behaving like this! We understand the season that we are in. But, please, man, just contain yourself and be calm. No, be calm, be calm. I have not recognised you. I have not recognised you! Can you take your seat? Can you take your seat we are in a voting process! Can you take your seat! We are in a voting process. Take your seat! Western Cape.
The eight provinces voted in favour with the exception of Gauteng and the North West. According to the list that we have and with the assistance of the table staff, North West has not submitted a
written mandate. So, seven provinces voted in favour. Therefore, the majority of the provinces voted in favour.
On a point of order, Chair.
Can I conclude the voting process?
Okay. Alright.
Bill accordingly agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.
May I address you with due respect, Chair.
On what grounds?
Chair, I am rising on a point of order.
Okay.
It is with regard to the North West and the Northern Cape's voting. I am not disputing the votes. It has been noted in
the House that the North West didn't have the mandate yet the leader of the North West agreed on the mandated. He voted in favour, but he didn't have the mandate. The table came to you and informed you that the North West don't have the mandate. Now, on whose behalf is the leader of delegation from the North West is representing? I am asking this because the province itself did not submit the mandate.
My second point, Chair, with due respect, is with regard to the Northern Cape. I made you aware that the leader of the Northern Cape is here in the House. You allowed hon Oliphant to participate on behalf of the leader of the delegation that is present ... [Interjections.]
Hon Mokwele ... [interjections.]
... can I finish ...
... hon Mokwele, no, the fact that ...
... with due respect. With due respect, Chair ...
... no, no, no with due respect as well, can I interrupt?
Now, Gladys is not here, you allowed De Beer to participate, just be cons ... [Inaudible.] Chair. Thank you.
Hon Mokwele, I will not address you on the second issue because I referred to a particular rule of the Rule's book. That rule answers you. I don't have to get that. No, no, no. Take your seat, hon Oliphant. Take your seat. Hon Oliphant, just take your seat.
On the first issue, hon members, I really wish that the ... hon members, I just want to appeal to delegates that don't make your provincial issues to be matters of the presiding officers or even of the House sitting. Now we must debate the North West on who has delegated who to do what ... We must be stuck with that. I am appealing to the provinces, please, when we get into the House, as an hon member who is delegated to sit in this House to represent your province, familiarise yourself with the Order Paper. Then, you would know what is before the House.
If it is a matter that needs voting from provinces, engage with your delegation so that you don't bring your things into the House. On that basis, hon members, I have made a ruling on that matter. I don't know what is happening in the Northern Cape and I don't want to be part of that Northern Cape issue.