I consider it a debating point, hon member. Go ahead, hon Malema.
It is a reflection on her personal career. [Interjections.]
It is the truth. She will never be anything. Cabinet is going to be reduced. She doesn't qualify to be anything. You can hear when she speaks here that she doesn't even come anywhere close to what Winnie Mandela was. You don't even qualify to be a village heroine because you got nothing that it takes to be a leader.
So, you can't say we are point-scoring when we talk about Winnie Mandela. We lived with Winnie Mandela. We supported her when it was not fashionable to do so. That's why we support her even in her grave because we'll never sell her out. [Applause.]
So, all of us here, this is a very clear case. Use your conscience to vote. If the ANC expels you for voting that