Order! Order!
The MINISTER OF WOMEN, CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES: ... of 48 years of apartheid and 300 years of colonialism. People with disabilities have been denied their rights. In particular, there have been no schools for people in this country who are black and have disabilities.
Sithwele uxanduva ngoku kufuneka siqale ekuqaleni. [We have a responsibility and we have to start from the beginning.]
Moreover, I want to ask: Since when has the IFP cared for people with disabilities? Since when has the IFP or the opposition cared about women?
Uphi uZanele Magwaza? Uzimele geqe kuba kwabashushu kwa-IFP kuba eyinkokheli engumama. Uyanithwaxa phaya ezivotini ngoku sithethayo. [Where is Zanele Magwaza? She is standing on her own now because it became hot within the IFP because of being a woman leader. She is defeating you during votes as we speak.]
The fact of the matter is that the IFP is bleeding to death.
Order! There is a point of order. Yes, sir. You have the floor. Order, hon members! Order! Proceed, hon member.
Somlomo, bengicela ukubuza la: Ingabe umhlonishwa ukhuluma ngani? [Uhleko.] [Ubuwelewele.] Ingabe uyamazi yini lo muntu akhuluma ngaye? [Speaker, I would like to ask: What is the hon member talking about? [Laughter.] [Interjections.] Does she know the person she is talking about?]
The MINISTER OF WOMEN, CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES: Ewe, ndiyamazi ngumama owakhokela i-IFP, woyikwa, waze wakhutshelwa ngaphandle. Ngoku uyayithwaxa i-IFP ephaya ngaphandle. [Yes, I know her; she is the woman who has led the IFP. They were scared of her, and then they rejected her. Now she is defeating the IFP while on her own.]
Anyway, people with disabilities are saying, "Nothing about us without us." Hon Van der Merwe, where are your disabled Members of Parliament in this House? DA, where are your disabled Members of Parliament in this House? Thank you.
Mr Speaker, on a point of order: ...
Order! Yes, sir. You have the floor. Order, hon members! You have the floor.
Somlomo, ngicela ukukhumbuza umhlonishwa kulokhu akushoyo: KwaZulu-Natali sikhona isikole sabantu abakhubazekile. Leso sikole siseNkandla. Akulona iqiniso ukuthi eNingizimu Afrika yonke abazange banakekelwe abantu abakhubazekile! Lesi sikole sasakhiwe yiyo i-IFP. Ngiyabonga. (Translation of isiZulu paragraph follows.)
[Mr R N CEBEKHULU: Speaker, I would like to remind the hon member with regard to what she is saying: In KwaZulu-Natal there is a school for people with disabilities. That school is in Nkandla. It is not true that in South Africa as a whole, people with disabilities are not taken care of. This school was built by the IFP. Thank you.]
Order! Let us proceed. Thank you. Take your seat. Hon Minister.
The MINISTER OF WOMEN, CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES: We are not talking about KwaZulu-Natal; we are talking about the whole country. Thank you, hon Speaker.
A point of order!
Take your seat, hon member.
A point of order, Speaker.
Hon Speaker! Hon Speaker ...
Order! Order! Don't speak until I recognise you.
Hon Speaker!
Yes, proceed.
Speaker, on a point of order: I take great offence at the fact that the Minister has launched a personal attack on my party and me. I raised a legitimate concern about people who have been denied access to education at a university. It is not a matter to do with the IFP or the ANC; it has to do with the lives of three people who have been denied education. I was not attacking the Minister personally and therefore she should not attack me or my party personally. [Interjections.]
Order, hon members. Order! Let the speaker be heard.
I was raising a legitimate concern; I was not saying it was the Minister's fault! [Interjections.]
You had your hand up, sir. Proceed, please. Order! Yes, sir. You have the floor.
Speaker, on a point of order: I want to correct the Minister. They are definitely not referred to as "disabled people"; they are people with disabilities.
The MINISTER OF WOMEN, CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES: They call themselves "Disabled People South Africa", the activists that took part in the United Nations convention.
I want to say to the hon member there, hon Van der Merwe, it is hot in the kitchen of politics and, if you do not want to be in politics and in Parliament, get out of this kitchen! I thank you. [Applause.]
Order! Order! What point are you rising on, sir? [Interjections.] Order!
Hon Speaker, on a point of order: It is against the rules for Members of Parliament to abuse the process and raise frivolous points of order, and they should not be allowed. [Interjections.]
Order! Take your seat, hon member.