Jabu Mabuza's investment company, Sphere Holdings owns shares in companies such as Babcock and Honeywell that has evergreen contracts to service Eskom. Jabu Mabuza told the Zondo commission that Eskom is riddled with corruption and that the tenders for coal and maintenance are in fact corrupt tenders but he is a beneficiary of these tenders. How else was he able to get contracts with Eskom that are corrupt, unless he is also corrupt? But because Minister Pravin is only concerned with the removal of black, useless, ingenious, he will not dare look at the direction of these particular contracts because they are owned by white people who are untouchable. It is clear that conflict of interest is not an issue. [Time expired.]