What we are saying is it very interesting that the DA keeps talking about AYO Technology Solutions this morning. Fine, we agree that if AYO has wrongly been invested in, the money must be returned, like the Companies and Intellectual Property Commission, CIPC, requires. Interestingly, they say nothing about Steinhoff. They say nothing about the billions of rand the PIC lost through Steinhoff. Why is that? [Interjections.] Then we go on to state there is nothing inevitably corrupt about the PIC, as has been said. In fact, for all the challenges around the PIC and wrongdoings in respect of bad investments and allegations of corruption - for all that - it is one of the best- performing asset managers. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.