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  • PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES (Tuesday, 30 July 2019)

NOES: 25 [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES]

  • ← AYES: 37 [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES]
  • AYES: 37 [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES] →
  • (narrative) 30 Jul 2019 hansard
    Vote agreed to (Democratic Alliance and Economic Freedom Fighters Plus dissenting).
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  • (narrative) hansard
    Vote No 9 - Public Enterprises - put
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    Declarations of vote:
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  • Deputy Chairperson Of The Ncop hansard

    Hon Nhanha, in future you must wait. Don't just jump!

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    Mr M Nhanha hansard

    You must have been a principal before.

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  • Deputy Chairperson Of The Ncop hansard

    You don't just jump!

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    Mr M Nhanha hansard

    You must have been a principal before.

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  • Deputy Chairperson Of The Ncop hansard

    No, I am the presiding officer and I expect you to respect that.

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    Mr M Nhanha hansard

    You must have been a principal before, Deputy Chairperson.

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  • Deputy Chairperson Of The Ncop hansard

    No, I was a mother. I am a mother and mothers know how to deal with children.

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    Mr M Nhanha hansard

    [Laughter.] Deputy Chairperson, it seems we will do a lot of progress this afternoon. We were bit sleepy in the morning. Hon members, it is no secrete that our state-owned enterprises became central hubs of the state capture project. Instead of these entities serving the people of South Africa through their various mandates, they ultimately became centres of employment for the card- carrying members of the ANC. They became penetrable piggy bags for the looters and trust funds for factional battles.

    Now, more than ever before, we have seen the consequences of those actions. We are now left with entities that, when put very bluntly and mildly, have collapsed and are in the intensive care unit.

    Another Eskom bailout is making its way through Parliament as we speak to help the declining electricity supply despite there being no light at the end the tunnel. And you can bet that was a pun intended.

    These entities have become behemoths of the industry they are often in - acting as the monopoly. This does not bode well for the economy that is already brittle with terrible conditions. The National Development Plan, NDP, aims to eliminate poverty and reduce inequality by 2030. This can only be achieved through an economy that grows by means of a free market system that allows for compensation. This will however remain a pipedream whilst Eskom looms over the energy industry albeit a bloody injured Goliath.

    The national government needs to be decisive in handling these

    state-owned entities, SOEs. If an entity is continuously failing, as Eskom is, you either sell it or break it up. South Africans, especially the 10 million unemployed, have had enough time and it is time for action. You might have heard hon Carrim while standing here

    agreeing with Dennis Ryder. He was agreeing with everything that Dennis was saying. He stops short of telling South Africans that by the time when state capture started at the SABC he was the Minister of that department. Thank you, Chair.

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    Mr M C Sedibe hansard

    Deputy Chairperson, here is the declaration by the EFF on Public Enterprises, which is headed by Jamnadas and controlled by Rupert. Across the world state-owned entities are used to drive economic development, growth and job creation. In China state-owned companies are involved in every sector of the economy, employ millions of people, drive innovation and earn hundreds of billions in profit every year. In Europe, during the 20th century state-owned companies were used to rebuild countries and economies after years of war. But in this country instead of strengthening our state-owned enterprises, the Department of Public Enterprises headed by the constitutional delinquent Pravin Gordhan, are being collapsed. After he engaged in illegal activities at the SA Revenue Service, Sars, the errand boy of white monopoly capital has now been deployed to the Department of Public Enterprises to privatise them and put them in the hands of his masters. Instead of repairing the damage done at Eskom, he has only made it worse resulting in blackouts and allocation of billion of rands to the independent power producers, IPP, programmes that contribute very little to our

    power supply. Who own the IPPs and who will benefit from the privatisation of our energy supply? It is white monopoly capital and their puppets.

    Across our state-owned enterprises black executives are being purged by the constitutional delinquent, Jamnadas. This man should not be in office. The Public Protector ... [Interjections.]

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  • Deputy Chairperson Of The Ncop hansard

    Hon member, can I just call you to order. Although hon Gordhan is not a member of this House he is an hon member.

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    Ms N P Koni hansard

    Say, Jamnadas! [Interjections.] We mean Jamnadas!

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    Mr M C Sedibe hansard

    We are talking about Jamnadas.

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  • Deputy Chairperson Of The Ncop hansard

    Whatever you feel, can you just respect the decorum of this House. Thank you!

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    Ms N P Koni hansard

    No! How do you ... [Interjections.]

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    Mr M C Sedibe hansard

    The Public Protector has found him in violation of the Constitution multiple times on a variety of illegal activities.

    In any other country this man would long have been out of job and probably in jail. But in this so-called new dawn as long as you serve the interests of the white monopoly capital you are safe and you can do as you please. The EFF cannot support this Vote. This department is led by a constitutional delinquent and under him we will see the selling of our state-owned enterprises to capitalists.

    The appointment of Jabu Mabuza contravenes the King IV principle in terms of rule 7(34) which say that the CEO of an organisation should not also chair the governing body. The retired CEO should not become the chair of the governing body until three complete years have passed after the end of the CEO's term.

    But immediately six hours after the court ruled in his favour, Jamnadas, appointed Jabu Mabuza as an acting CEO of Eskom. He was pleasing his master, Rupert. [Time expired.]

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  • Deputy Chairperson Of The Ncop hansard

    Your time is up, thank you.

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    Mr M C Sedibe hansard

    Jamnandas is the one who appointed Pillay with a matric at Sars. Thank you.

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  • Deputy Chairperson Of The Ncop hansard

    You're three minutes has lapsed. Your time is up.

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  • Chief Whip Of The Ncop hansard

    Deputy Chairperson, on a point of order: This House should not set wrong precedence. There is no constitutional delinquent which has not been found guilty by a court of law - the reference that is made that the hon Minister is a constitutional delinquent. I request you to rule on this matter because it will degenerate into something else that it is not.

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  • Deputy Chairperson Of The Ncop hansard

    Thank you, hon Chief Whip. We did note it. We will follow it up and make a ruling.

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  • Cllr T B Matibe hansard

    Deputy Chairperson, the ANC rise to support the Vote on Public Enterprises. State-owned entities have an important role to play in the economy, both in terms of generating growth cross specific sectors and in facilitating inclusive growth in designated sectors.

    The turnaround in performance of respective SOEs has been undertaken and the introduction this week of the restructuring officers will result in a very different SOEs going forward. The country is dependent on SOEs to facilitate functioning both of the economy and

    of the society and millions need SOEs that will bring about qualitative change in their lives.

    With regard to the question of corporate capture of the state, we acknowledge that the department has collected some 3 000 forensic reports relating to SOEs and they are collaborating with the law enforcement authorities to ensure that criminal actions are reported and that civil recoveries are undertaken.

    The investigating directorate in the National Prosecution Authority, NPA, is fast tracking any investigation including evidence that will be presented in the Zondo commission.

    In the last 18 months, the restoring of good governance, skills management and effective operations of SOEs has been undertaken stabilising operations appointing new boards directly confronting corruption and has proceeded with efficiency, speed and purpose.

    Hon Deputy Chair, looking for the future, the boards will be asked to review their current business models, develop models appropriate to the conditions they operate in and develop financial sustainability plans to ensure that SOEs are financially self- reliant. The Vote gives the department necessary capacity to perform

    the oversight role of various SOEs. Our stae-owned enterprises can play a critical role in leveraging their investment operational activities to support reindustrialisation of our economy.

    Through their skills development programmes SOEs ensure the provision of scarce and critical skills. It is import to ensure that our SOEs are effectively managed, efficiently performed and well governed so that they can fulfil their dynamic role in delivering public services and public goods that enable the economic activity and improve the quality of lives of our people.

    Tshivenda:

    Ri?e sa dzangano ?a ANC ri khou tikedza hoyu muvhigo. Ndo livhuwa.

    Division demanded

    The Council divided

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  • ← AYES: 37 [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES]
  • AYES: 37 [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES] →

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