Minister, the issue of corruption is not only found at national level. What you don't know is that most of the corruption takes place at local level. Tenders are issues before they are even advertised. In a nutshell, that is what actually happens. When somebody budgets for a tender in a particular local municipality, it is already decided who is going to get the tender. I can tell you billions of rand are lost at local, provincial, and national levels. So, it is not only at the top. The question that arises is the following: How much of the money is actually being spent on services to the people on the ground? The answer is very little. If you take the compensation to employees, if you take the corruption, if you take tender fraud - the IFP, Zululand District Municipality, Nongoma, and the EFF in Limpopo province