Speaker, through you to Minister, it was very interesting to hear you saying that where a municipality has paralysed you will take action and intervene. That didn't happen in Amahlathi Local Municipality which was paralysed by the ANC in parting for more than six months and has only just had an intervention there. [Applause.] It doesn't have any money to pay the salaries by the way. The reality is that in many, if not most, cases even where there are interventions these municipalities revert to the failing ways in a very short space of time and you used the example of Mahikeng which had four interventions.
It was also interesting to hear you talking about the appointment of the National Energy Regulator, Nersa, engineers and town planners to assist municipalities and I quote, "to recover revenue." This is big part of a problem that the wrong experts are being sent to municipalities to assist them, we should be sending accountants and auditors to assist with billing and revenue problems. Another major issue ... [Interjections.]