Order!
The MINISTER OF CO-OPERATIVE GOVERNANCE AND TRADITIONAL
AFFAIRS: Quite often the issue is not whether the department owes the municipality, but it is whether the amounts are correct. That fight actually is something that requires us to continuously deal with the verification process.
We have tabled this issue at the Presidential Co- ordinating Committee, PCC, where the national and provincial government and municipalities are represented and we have urged all the departments to make amends and resolve these issues.