Madam Speaker, the severe financial and operational challenges that are currently being experienced by Eskom are not caused by the independent power producers, IPPs, programme, and in particular, the renewable energy projects. Eskom's challenges have been driven by a number of factors, and some of those are massive costs and time overruns on the new built programmes of building our new power stations. They were budgeted at a particular amount and within a particular timeframe, and they overran all that, and that led to cost overruns.