Deputy Speaker, I really want to clarify this matter. If you say that the DA will not support this Budget Vote, clearly you should then ask yourself how much pride you take in your country. How do you reflect on the issues of national security?
We are dealing here with national security. We are not dealing here with issues of people who are social workers. We keep on emphasising all the time that if you don't want to understand the issues of confidentiality within the SA National Defence Force, SANDF, then you must accept the fact that these are not National Intelligent Agency, NIA, workers.
These are men who are highly trained and are supposed to defend the sovereignty of South Africa.
At no stage did the Minister say that she will never avail you of any information that you are looking for. She has always said to Parliament to sit down and to speak to its own Chief Whip to sit in the Joint Rules Committee and define what confidentiality in Parliament is.
Don't make sweeping statements here. You know for a fact that within the rules of Parliament, there is no definition of confidentially, when it comes to dealing with the lives of soldiers. It is a sweeping statement that you are making. It is not informed at all. We will continue to try and lecture you in the committee. The ANC will definitely support this Vote. Thank you. [Applause.]
Division demanded.
The House divided:
AYES - 216: Abram, S; Adams, P E; Alberts, A D; Baloyi, M R; Bam- Mugwanya, V; Bapela, K O; Bhengu, N R; Bhengu, P; Bikani, F C; Bogopane- Zulu, H I; Booi, M S; Borman, G M; Boshigo, D F; Botha, Y R; Burgess, C V; Buthelezi, M G; Cebekhulu, R N; Chauke, H P; Chikunga, L S; Chohan, F I; Coleman, E M; Cronin, J P; Cwele, S C; De Lille, P; Diale, L N; Dlakude , D E; Dlamini, B O; Dlamini-Zuma, N C; Dlodlo, A; Doidge, G Q M; Dubazana, Z S; Dube, M C; Dudley, C; Dunjwa, M L; Fihla, N B; Fransman, M L; Frolick, C T; Gasebonwe, T M A; Gelderblom, J P; Gigaba, K M N; Gina, N; Godongwana, E; Gololo, C L; Gona, M F; Groenewald, P J; Gumede, D M; Gxowa, N B; Hajaig, F; Hogan, B A; Huang, S-B; Jacobus, L; Jeffery, J H; Joemat-Pettersson, T M; Johnson, M; Kekana, C D; Kenye, T E; Khoarai, L P; Kholwane, S E; Khumalo, F E; Khunou, N P; Komphela, B M; Koornhof, G W; Kota-Fredericks, Z A; Kubayi, M T; Landers, L T; Lekgetho, G; Line, H; Lishivha, T E; Luyenge, Z; Maake, J J; Mabasa, X; Mabedla, N R; Mabuza, M C; MacKenzie, G D; Madlala, N M; Mafolo, M V; Magagula, V V; Magama, H T; Magau, K R; Magazi, M N; Magwanishe, G; Mahlangu-Nkabinde, G L; Makhuba, H N; Makhubela-Mashele, L S; Makhubele, Z S; Makwetla, S P; Malgas, H H; Maluleka, H P; Manamela, K B; Manana, M C; Mandela, Z M D; Manganye, J; Manuel, T A; Mapisa-Nqakula, N N; Martins, B A D; Mashigo, R M; Mashishi, A C; Masilo, J M; Masutha, T M; Mataboge, D K; Mathebe, D H; Mathebe, P M; Mathibela, N F; Matshoba, J M; Maunye, M M; Mavunda, D W; Maziya, A M; Mc Gluwa, J J; Mdakane, M R; Mdladlana, M M S; Mentor, M P; Meshoe, K R J; Mgabadeli, H C; Mjobo, L N; Mkhulusi, N N P; Mlambo, E M; Mlangeni, A; Mmusi, S G; Mnisi, N A; Mohale, M C; Mokoena, A D; Molebatsi, M A; Molewa, B E E; Moloi-Moropa, J C; Morutoa, M R; Moss, L N; Motimele, M S; Motshekga, M A; Motshekga, M S; Mpontshane, A M; Msweli, H S; Mthethwa, E M; Mthethwa, E N; Mtshali, E; Mulder, C P; Mushwana, F F; Muthambi, A F; Nchabeleng, M E; Ndabandaba, L B G; Ndabeni, S T; Ndebele, J S; Ndlovu, V B; Nelson, W J; Newhoudt-Druchen, W S; Ngcengwane, N D; Ngcobo, B T; Ngcobo, E N N; Ngele, N J; Ngwenya, W; Ngwenya-Mabila, P C; Nhlengethwa, D G; Njobe, M A A; Nkwinti, G E; November, N T; Ntapane, S Z; Ntuli, Z C; Nyalungu, R E; Nyanda, M F; Nyekemba, E; Oliphant, G G; Oosthuizen, G C; Pandor, G N M; Petersen-Maduna, P; Phaahla, M J; Phaliso, M N; Pilusa- Mosoane, M E; Radebe, B A; Radebe, G S; Radebe, J T; Ramatlhodi, N A; Rantsolase, M A; Saal, G; Scheemann, G D; Segale-Diswai, M J; Selau, G J; Sexwale, T M G; Shiceka, S; Sibanyoni, J B; Sibhida, N N; Sisulu, M V; Sithole, K P; Sithole, S C N; Sizani, P S; Skosana, J J; Smith, V G; Snell, G T; Sogoni, E M; Sonjica, B P; Sonto, M R; Sosibo, J E; Sotyu, M M; Suka, L; Sulliman, E M; Sunduza, T B; Surty, M E; Thabethe, E; Thobejane, S G; Thomson, B; Tinto, B; Tsebe, S R; Tseke, G K; Tsenoli, S L; Tshivhase, T J; Tshwete, P; Tsotetsi, D R; Turok, B; Twala, N M; Vadi, I; Van der Merwe, S C; Van Rooyen, D D; Van Wyk, A; Xaba, P P; Yengeni, L E; Zikalala, C N Z; Zondi, K M; Zulu, B Z. NOES - 53: Boinamo, G G; Bosman, L L; Coetzee, T W; Davidson, I O; De Freitas, M S F; Du Toit, N D; Duncan, P C; Ellis, M J; Farrow, S B; Fritz, A T; George, D T; James, W G; Kalyan, S V; Kloppers-Lourens, J C; Kohler-Barnard, D; Kopane, S P; Lamoela, H; Lee, T D; Lorimer, J R B; Lotriet, A; Louw, A; Lovemore, A T; Marais, E J; Marais, S J F; Masango, S J; Maynier, D J; Mazibuko, L D; Michael, N W A; Mokgalapa, S; More, E; Morgan, G R; Motau, S C; Mubu, K S; Ollis, I M; Rabie, P J; Rabotapi, M W; Robinson, D; Ross, D; Schmidt, H C; Selfe, J; Shinn, M R; Smiles, D C; Steyn, A; Steyn, A C; Swart, M; Swathe, M M; Van Dalen, P; Van der Linde, J J; Van der Walt, D; Van Dyk, S M; Van Schalkwyk, H C; Waters, M; Wenger, M.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 22 - Independent Complaints Directorate - put.
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