Chair, how do you declare that your Minister of Transport supports the Minister of Justice? Do you know what it means if you get Presidential Pardon? It means you don't have a criminal record anymore; so you are not seen as a criminal. You are undermining the criminal justice system with this that you now are promoting here. That's the problem: You talk a lot! You come to this podium and you say you are going to do that. You are taking responsibility. Talk is cheap!
What the people in South Africa want is a declaration on corruption. They want to put ... [Interjections.]