Chairperson, I would like to congratulate the programming committee for keeping the best for last because this is
the debate. [Laughter.] We have all been asleep and now we are suddenly awake so thank you very much for that. [Interjections.] I wasn't asleep. The land and land reform is a highly emotional debate and we have seen that today. But when emotions run high it is important to apply reason; and for that we need facts.
Afrikaans:
So, Minister, die Minister van Landbou se grondoudit moet nou bekendgemaak word, sodat dit bestudeer kan word. Ons kan nie toelaat dat onwaarhede oor grondbesit in Suid-Afrika en die voorlopige aanbevelings in die verslag, wat skynbaar suiwer plagiaat is uit 'n ou Verenigde Nasies, VN-verslag van wat handel oor Oos-Europa en niks met Suid-Afrika te doen nie, versprei word nie.
Ons kan nie aanhou om sondebokke te maak van di wat grond besit en hulle die skuld gee vir die regering se onvermo om grondhervormingsteikens te haal nie.
Deur aan te hou om te s dat hierdie persoon rens grond by daardie persoon gesteel het, skep ruimte vir geweld, vir aanvalle, vir moorde. En die VF Plus ag dit as deel van die landelike beveiligingsprobleem, waaroor ons baie praat. Ons kan nie meer deur mites mislei word nie. Gee vir ons feite.
English:
Chairperson, we see the ANC opening their speeches with the piece of history that means something dear to them and we all like history because in our history we learned something from our people earlier in our lives. But history is unfortunately, more complex.
Hon Minister, I am sure that you are a reasonable person so let me remind you of what happened in the Soviet Ukraine, with the Gulag camps and kulaks who were farmers, in fact they were in business at first and they became farmers. As they laboured and farmed, they became more successful and made more money. The Soviet government did not like this and expropriated the land, sounds too familiar. The Gulags were thrown in labour camps and the land was redistributed. The effect was that food and security led to famine. By the way, as much as 1 million people died in Gulags camps - innocent people - anyone who appeared to be slightly against the cause was thrown into the camps.
What is happening here is that people who are supposed to be working for the people are throwing people into camps where they need to be labouring. No one denies a black farmer becoming a successful one. In fact, more successful farmers in South Africa, the better it is for our economy but here we need to be very rational. We still don't
know much land is state-owned. We also don't know how much of that land is utilised. Let's build programmes on facts and not emotions.
Just quickly on emotions; I would like to reply to the hon Modise. I was a little late on putting on my interpretation service. So, understand that apparently there was a farmer who abused a farmer worker, am I correct? [Interjections.] That's horrible. I will condemn that, totally. [Interjections.] I will condemn that but I want you to taste your stereotypes and generalisations. I want to speak about a farmer in Frankfort Heilbron, this week ... [Interjections.] ... I have condemned that. We have issued a statement on a farm murder in Heilbron, a cattle farmer. His throat was slit and his name was Johannes Mazibuko. He was 71 and we have issued a statement about that. Where were the EFF and the ANC on that? Thank you. [Interjections.]
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