I want to say, hon Chair, that we are not a military state, neither are we police state. We as an organisation, the ANC, embrace the culture of human rights, we embrace the culture of prosperity in our land, and it cannot be us who are seen perpetuating this kind of tendencies that people are talking about. The soldiers are there, they are embraced by the people, they are loved by the people and they complement the work of the police service in terms of rooting out corruption and gangsterism, especially in the Western Cape. And we must continue to do that because one life is too many in our society and we are saying that we are applauding the decision of the