interest note his remarks that he believes all people should have access to energy, education and to housing. This is wonderful; we only wish he believed it through its antecedents in 1948. He certainly did not then, how we wish that his ancestors had realised this and that he had joined Solomon Mahlangu and many other young people and fought against apartheid when he could ... [Applause.] ... because then, we wouldn't be dealing with the malady that we have to confront today. [Interjections.]