Hon Chair, the way to understand these things is to have a context. What is the context? The context is that we have a large number of state-owned enterprises in South Africa. Some are functioning very well. Others are struggling along and I think Minister Gordhan has explained the architecture that we are dealing with in this case. Now, in the normal course of life, you assess your situation as you go along. Dogma, backwardness, overenthusiasm and so on are not helpful therefore I think the approach that the Minister of Public Enterprise is taking is correct and it gives us