Chairperson, the harsher measures. You see if we talking fundamentals, we talk about fundamentals for government, there must be fundamentals for everybody. We can't put laws in this country, labour relations laws, giving people the right to freedom of association, the right to organise unions of their own choice, the right to bargain salaries to improve their conditions of service, but you sit with the employers who are still treating people like slaves; it cannot be accepted. If you go into some of the farms, some of the factories who are neglecting, if you listen about some of the workers who were injured at work and being dumped by the employers, we come and say we are talking harsher measures.
You can't, in this particular country where the majority is the black people, you look at the management of some of the private sector companies, they are still lily white and male, and then we say we talking harsher measures. So, the issue of employment equity is nonnegotiable. We are going to come with even more measures to enforce people to ... people cannot just want to benefit from this government but do not want to transform.