They agreed with the argument that the systems needed to be changed and reaffirmed so that both parties could find common ground. They did however remind the meeting of the political dynamic of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) members, ie permanent seats, rotating seats and the fact that neither of the two European countries would be willing to relinquish their permanent seats. That was a matter of considerable debate, because it is necessary for the EU to have a seat on the UNSC. That approach subsumed those two European countries and neither one of the two countries, ie UK and France, was willing to do so.