Chair, with all due respect to the hon Joseph, this is not a personal attack. We stay in the Western Cape ... [Interjections.] ... and I am debating the abuse of women and children. The point is that the Western Cape claims that they are a government. The Western Cape even has its own constitution, which they are quick to quote from. The DA-controlled Western Cape comes to this House and attacks national government. They go on public platforms and attack the national government. Today their MEC said that the Police Commissioner ...