No, Chair. That is not a question. [Interjections.] The point is, Chair, with all due respect, the hon Joseph was either also a National Party member, or more than that - a Democratic Party member. [Interjections.] He was a DP member of the City of Cape Town that evicted our people; that put our people in Mitchells Plain; that cut off the water of our people; that cut off the electricity of our people ... [Interjections.] That is when the hon Joseph was a member - when people were being evicted. [Interjections.]