Hon Deputy Speaker ...
... ngisakhula, ngifunda esikoleni samazinga aphansi, othisha babesimashisa. Ilungu elihloniphekile lingikhumbuza sesithi: "Left, right! Left, right! Left, right!" [Uhleko.]
Kafushane, lo Mthethosivivinywa olapha ngaphambili kwethu ukhuluma ngokubeka izinto obala [transparency]. Ukubeka izinto obala siyakholelwa thina njenge-IFP ukuthi kuyingxenye ebalulekile yokuphatha okuhle [good governance]. NgokoMthethosivivinywa umbuzo uthi: Ngobani laba okufanele babeke izinto obala?
Okokuqala, amalungu esigungu senyuvesi. UMthethosivivinywa uthi uma amalungu esigungu ... [Ubuwelewele.] (Translation of isiZulu paragraphs follows.)
[... when I grew up, when I was still in primary school, teachers used to make us march. The hon member just reminded me of when we would say: "Left, right! Left, right! Left, right! [Laughter.]
In short, this Bill before us now is talking about transparency. We as the IFP believe that transparency is the key to good governance. According to this Bill the question is: Who needs to be transparent?
Firstly, it is the members of the council of the university. The Bill says if the board members ... [Interjections.]]
I don't know who is making tribal noises over there!
Amalungu esigungu kufanele ukuthi uma enezinkampani athola kuzo amajuphana akubeke obala lokho.
Abantu besibili okufanele babeke izinto obala, izisebenzi zenyuvesi. Nazo futhi kufanele zibeke obala - amabhizinisi ezithola kuwo amantshontsho. Yini-ke eyenza thina njenge-IFP sikweseke lokhu ukuthi laba esengibabalile babeke izinto obala. Izithuba eziningi uthola amanyuvesi esebenzisa lokhu abathi ngesilungu i-university autonomy, okwenza ukuthi kubekhona izinto eziningi ezicashileyo.
Zolo lokhu sibonile eNyuvesi yaKwaZulu kusuka umsindo omkhulu ngenxa yokuthi bekukhona ezisebenzini abanamathenda kumbe izinkampani ezingaziwa. Sibonile naseNyuvesi yaseVenda kusuka umsindo omningi ngenxa yabo njalo abantu abathola imisebenzi ezinkampanini kodwa kungazi muntu. Y ingakho sithi lo Mthethosivivinywa othi makubekwe obala zonke izinto siweseka.
Sekela Somlomo, okwesithathu sengigcina, sengihlala phansi, isigatshana lesi esiphathelene ne- National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS, siyakweseka konke lokhu okuqukethwe uMthethosivivinywa, kodwa siyacela ukuthi minyaka yonke kuvamisile ukuthi kube khona izindwadla zezimala ezibuyela emuva zingasetshenziswanga ze-NSFAS esicela ukuthi umhlonishwa akubheke ngeso eliphuthumayo lokho, ngoba kuyasikhathaza ukuthi abafundi beswele emanyuvesi, benezikweletu, abanye baze benziwe lento okuthiwa i- blacklisting, kodwa kube kukhona izimali ezibuyela emumva zingasetshenzisiwe.
Elinye iphuzu esicela ukuthi umhlonishwa alibhekisise lapha, siyazi ukuthi amanyuvesi asayinda isivumelwano nomhlonishwa uNgqongqoshe omlandelile ukuthi amanyuvesi avumele abafundi ukuthi bangene nakuba bengenayo imali ekhokhwayo uma uqala ukungena enyuvesi, kodwa amanyuvesi amaningi awakwenzi lokhu. Uthola ukuthi izingane eziningi azikwazi ukungena emanyuvesi ngoba zingenayo le mali yokuqalisa ukungena enyuvesi.
Sicela-ke mhlonishwa ukuthi uma ungangenelela ukuthi amanyuvesi akwenze lokho. Sibonile-ke, sengihlala phansi ngempela ngempela manje, ukuthi umnyango uzamile ukuthi zonke lezi zinkampani ze-credit bureau, ezenza amagama abafundi abampisholo baba-blacklist, umnyango uzamile ukuthi asulwe onke lawo macala, kodwa kukhona abasasele kulobo bumnyama lobo.
Besicela thina njenge-IFP, ngoba akusizi uku-blacklist umfundi, ngoba uma sebekwi-blacklist akabe esawuthola ngisho umsebenzi. Abanye mhlonishwa banezikweletu abanazo izitifiketi, amanyuvesi awazidedeli izitifiketi zabafundi ngoba kuthiwa bayakweleta. Ngiyabonga-ke mhlonishwa, ngicabanga ukuthi kuyoba njalo njengoba sikhuluma. [Ihlombe.] (Translation of isiZulu paragraphs follows.)
[Members of the council need to disclose whether they have companies that generate any form of income.
Secondly, the people who need to be transparent are the employees of the university. They have to disclose whether they have businesses that generate income. What makes us, as the IFP, support the disclosure of information from the above-mentioned people is that, in most cases you find the universities using what they call university autonomy, which leads to many indiscreet things happening.
Not so long ago, there was a heated argument at the University of Zululand because there were people amongst the employees who had obtained tenders or had undisclosed companies. It happened again at the University of Venda, where people had got jobs at companies and nobody knew about them. That is why we support the transparency Bill.
Deputy Speaker, in conclusion, before I leave the floor, the clause about the National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS, supports all that is in the Bill, but we would like the Minister to attend to the issue of the money that is returned to the department that is never used, because it worries us that there are poor students at the universities who are in debt, and some are even blacklisted, but there are monies that are never used.
We know that the universities signed the agreement with the former Minister that they have to admit students even if they do not have the registration fee, but most universities do not comply, so we would like the hon Minister to attend to that. You find that many students are not admitted because they do not have the registration fee.
So, we urge the Minister to intervene so that the universities can comply. We have seen that - before I take my seat, seriously now - the department has tried to get all the credit bureaus which blacklist black students to clear their names, but there are still those who are blacklisted.
As the IFP we believe that it does not help to blacklist students, because once they are blacklisted they cannot even secure jobs. Others have debt and do not have certificates - the universities do not release the certificates because the students owe them money. Thank you, hon Deputy Speaker, I think it is going to be as we are saying. [Applause.]]