Chairperson, this debate underpins a very fundamental point which I think we need to note, that when we talk about policing in South Africa, we still talk about community policing. That's the orientation, that's the philosophical outlook, and we are committed to that.
I will take advice, hon Groenewald, if it is sound advice. I can promise you that. If I see that the advice is not going to help, I don't think I'm going to agree and take that advice. Thanks for your point. I take your point.
Tshangisa, ngiyakuzwa baba, kulokhu okushoyo. [Tshangisa, I understand what you are saying.]
We have emphasised the point of strengthening the secretariats in the provinces. Regarding what the Rev Meshoe raised, I want to say that Gauteng has a new police commissioner, Lieutenant ...
... uzokhwela phezu kwakhe ... [ ... he will deal with him ...]
... because he must respond to some of these things but, beyond that, policy matters will be taken care of, as we raised earlier with you.
Nongalo, u "Shoot to Kill" - usehambile, oh nanguya akakahambi- cha awukho u "Shoot to Kill" Baba, yinto yamaphepha le, ungabalaleli laba bantu bakhuluma kakhulu; ngakho-ke ungahambi nabo. (Translation of isiZulu paragraph follows.)
[Nongalo, the hon member who spoke about "Shoot to Kill"" has gone - oh, there he is. There is no instruction such as "Shoot to Kill", hon member. That is something to do with the media. Do not listen to the media because they are talkative, so do not believe them.]
We do not have that; there is no such policy as "Shoot to Kill". In conclusion, thank you members of the portfolio committee. Thank you very much. [Applause.]
Debate concluded.
Bill read a second time.