She mentioned that there were forty five neonates in the ward while the capacity of the ward was thirty five. She told the committee that there was no way they could have avoided overcrowding or they would have been in breach of the Constitution of South Africa which states that everybody has the right to access to health care services and because most of the neonates were born at the hospital there was no way they could have chased them away after birth. She also told the committee that they were faced with financial constraints but that they were doing their best with what they had.