From Cope, indeed, Chair. [Laughter.] Thanks, Chairperson. Firstly, I would like to raise with the Minister the issue I have. If I heard you correctly, you seemed to be generalising that the committee is full of people that are unpatriotic. For the record, I am patriotic, Minister.
Secondly, Minister, on the ageing fleet of our military: at what cost would you estimate that we as a country would spend to refurbish the fleet and the materiel of Defence? Also, after having spent so much money and you are satisfied that indeed we have a well-equipped military, what is it that you would put in place to ensure that we don't fall into the same situation we find ourselves in today in which we are sitting with equipment and fleet 35 to 40 years old? Thank you.