The 10 000 target is in my performance agreement with the President. That was based on a combination of factors. Firstly, it was the need to increase the number of artisans. Secondly, it was looking at what is possible and feasible. I'm very pleased to say, by the way, that we have exceeded that target. Instead we are now going after the target that is contained in the New Growth Path of 50 000 artisans by 2015.
There have been a number of blockages in the system. I will mention a few. First, there has been a misalignment between students who are doing vocational certificates at the Further Education and Training, FET, colleges, or what we call the N programmes, and their placement. What we are doing now is to redirect Seta funding for learnerships to make sure that for at least every student who has qualified in a vocational certificate at an FET college and who requires placement as an apprentice, Seta money is used to place those students. That has been one of the major blockages and we are quite confident that we are going to crack that, irrespective of some people who are trying to create obstacles in our attempts to redirect the Setas. I also hope that in a couple of years - a couple of months - down the line, the hon member will be able to answer these questions herself.