I beg your pardon, Madiba.
Umba wesibini ngowokuba sifuna ukuyincoma le nto ye- ... [The second issue is that we want to applaud the ...]
... reprioritisation of resources, especially now that the expenditure ceiling has been fixed. Shouldn't we consider ...
... ukuba sibeke umda kwityala? [... putting a ceiling even on debt?]
There are other economies around the world that put a ceiling on debt and not only on expenditure. The other issue that is important, hon Minister, is the one of indirect transfers, which are mainly for infrastructure ...
... koomasipala abazama ukukhawulelana nento yokunqongophala kwezakhono zokwenza ezi projekthi. Umngeni okhoyo ngowokuba loo nto ingasebenza njengesisombululo sethutyana, kuba kufuneka kube kanti izakhono ziyongezwa kwaye ziyomelezwa kwinqanaba loomasipala. (Translation of isiXhosa paragraph follows.)
[... in municipalities engaged in efforts to address the lack of capacity to carry out these projects. The challenge is that this might work as a temporary solution, but skills acquisition and skills enhancement should be happening as a matter of course at local municipality level.]
There is also another situation where you find that, even if these indirect transfers have been utilised and infrastructure has been developed, the maintenance thereof becomes a problem.
Uya kufumanisa ukuba ngoku besisithi siyazikhupha etyaleni, siphindela kudyobha sityikitya ngesiXhosa. Siyawabona amalinge amahle ... [You will find that as much as we say we are dealing with our debt, we are back to square one. We applaud the good efforts ...]
... to try and reduce expenditure on consultants, and that is very good.
When you look at infrastructure development as a whole ...
... sisekude kwakoku sijolise kuko, okulishumi ekhulwini, ngokuphathelele kwiSicwangciso soPhuhliso seSizwe. Andifuni ke ngoku ukuqala ndixhwithane naso, ngathi ndiyi-DA ne-ANC zibangisana ngaso. Oku sijolise kuko ... (Translation of isiXhosa paragraph follows.)
[... we are way too far from our target of 10%, in terms of our National Development Plan. I don't want to engage in a fight over this, like the DA and the ANC are doing. However, our target ...]
... is realistic in terms of what we can achieve. We need to know that what we are actually spending on infrastructure development is far below what we should be spending to be able to give the economy the impetus that it needs to alleviate hunger and poverty among people. Thank you very much. [Time expired.]