Chairperson, I would like to thank the last two speakers for really thoughtful contributions, in particular the hon Dudley. I think we can talk to each other and do business. Your approach was a very positive one and much to be welcomed, in contrast with the hon Dreyer's contribution.
We talk about "Neanderthal man", but there is also "Neanderthal woman", and it is quite remarkable how the values she espouses are really harking back decades, if not centuries. I mean to argue today that the labour market brokers make a positive contribution to South Africa, is really quite remarkable. The labour brokers' job is to undermine permanent jobs, well- established jobs that are protected precisely by collective bargaining, which is part of our history and part of our liberation.
Have you not heard that the movement that brought this democracy and yourself to this House was based on defending the rights of workers against labour brokers? The labour brokers are actually a pain, a sore spot in the sight of people like us who want to see a decent South Africa.
Furthermore, the hon Dreyer - and I could spend my whole speech on her, but I will just make one more point - cites the statistics of 36% unemployment. Clearly, you can cite statistics about unemployment every day and they will differ. The truth is that we all know unemployment for what it is, but it is very difficult to define.
The International Labour Organisation has made one definition, which in my opinion is a rather silly one. Unemployment is defined by the ILO as "somebody who is paid for one hour a week". That is called an employed person. Clearly, it is far too sweeping and really unacceptable. It is very difficult to define unemployment as it is difficult to define employment in a developing country. If you go to any country across Africa you will see that there are grades of employment, part-time employees, voluntary employees, and so on; so one cannot cite the statistics of 36% as though it is a fact. This is a matter of careful definition and we need much more science than the hon member brought to the process. [Interjections.]