Unfortunately I didn't see the programme the hon member is talking about, but I do not think South Africa is 20 years behind. I think South Africa would be on par with other developing countries and maybe much ahead of others in terms of preparing for adaptation and mitigation measures to deal with climate change.

What we always say is that we still have a duty to develop our society and our people, and we will have to balance the development that we are having with the mitigation factors. That is the balance we are trying to get. What is becoming very clear is that we, the developing countries, are expected to adapt and do a whole lot of other things that will have a negative impact on providing jobs and basic services we need for the people.

However, the countries in the world that have actually been responsible for the situation that we are in terms of major greenhouse emissions are not cutting back on consumption. So, whilst we are expected to cut back and stop our own development, they are not cutting back on consumption. I think that's where the message should be directed: that they must also cut back on their own consumption whilst we are trying to mitigate and adapt to the situation that we all find ourselves in.

So, I wouldn't agree with an assertion that says: we are behind. We are participating in quite a lot of international fora where we know that we are comparable with countries like us. Thank you.