"Honourable" ... independent parole board chairpersons. Those chairpersons are not part and parcel of Correctional Services; they are civilians. We trust what they are going to do. We trust them. I don't have any reason to doubt them.
I can say here and now that the Portfolio Committee on Correctional Services will follow this whole thing of what has happened, but I must tell you that we can't stand here and say that he is already guilty of an offence. It would be wrong of us. It would be totally wrong of us. We will wait, and I hope that the Minister will give us the outcome of the investigation by the regional commissioner or area commissioner and the parole board.
Minister, we are fully behind your decision that if a person, no matter ... They are saying... Mr Mfundisi was saying, "When you are well connected to the ANC ... " and whatever else. [Interjections.] That is not the truth! The ANC ...