The next point she raised, I think, relates to the issue of the availability of funds. Again, let me make the point categorically clear: The N2 project, and perhaps other mega projects, are not fund-driven. You don't have a big pool of funds and then decide what you want to do. They are needs-driven. There are needs that we are responding to, and, in the process of that, getting funds becomes a worked- on process. We have to get that kind of thinking so that other members begin to understand that.
I think member Shiceka made the point that if there are any challenges with the N2 Gateway, it is not because we ran out of funds. This relates to issues of capacity, construction complexities and all of those issues. When members stand here, they must speak the truth.
In defence of Minister Sisulu who is not here today, I want to respond to member Robinson who also raised the point about a rescheduled meeting that she could not attend. I want to stand here and say that there is no truth in that statement. [Interjections.]