He actually became everything. He became a social worker, psychologist and a marriage counsellor. I know all of this because he used to discuss some of these cases with me. He did not only become these things - even the very same traditional leaders, who had at first doubted him because they had been told that he was a communist, when they were fighting for thrones in various traditional kraals, would come to Ntate Diale to say he must declare who was the rightful heir to the throne, through the advice office.