No, Ntate Madisha, we need to be very scientific so that we are also not disingenuous about the points we are making. I have just said to you ... I am not sure what is similar. I just gave one example of meeting the Auditor-General who said that, in 2013, the province of Eastern Cape has moved from getting a disclaimer to getting a qualified report. I never said that in 2011. So, I am not sure what you are talking about.
I can give you a lot of examples. In 2011, we said that, in Limpopo, there were more than 2000 excess teachers, but now there are less than 100 excess teachers. What is similar there? I can give you a list of examples. So, I am not sure what the member is talking about ... [Interjections.] ... with regard to the reasons that the parents ... I really don't know, but I think the member is just speaking for the sake of speaking. Honestly, I am not sure what he is comparing between 2011 and 2012, and where parents are removing children from. Let him give me facts, then we can deal with issues factually and not emotionally, as I suspect is the case. [Applause.]