Chairperson, on a point of order: We have guests in this House, which makes laws. Now, if the DA behaves unlawfully in Parliament, behaves contrary to the Rules of Parliament, how will the public respect the laws that we make in the House? Also, the Minister said that hon Trollip said something which is not true and that he was trying to show why that was not true. So, the hon Minister is correct in saying that hon Trollip was not telling the truth. [Interjections.]