Chairperson, I rise on a point of order. I rise in terms of Rule 69(1). I would like to say to the Minister that clearly he doesn't read newspapers. [Interjections.] What I referred to in my speech was the fact that Samwu had cited him and all nine Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs, Cogta, MECs, challenging the constitutionality of their ability to ... [Interjections.]