Through you, Chairperson, the hon member to my left does not talk about the confusion that the DA is causing in Swellendam because of issues related to the so-called deployment. I can't talk about deployment, because I know they don't know that word. In fact, they hate the word with passion. For them deployment means anything that is related to the ANC. That is why they are behaving like this.
The issue about the regulations is that we have passed the regulations. We are engaging with Samwu so that we can address the matter outside court, if possible. But we are there as second respondents. I think that has to be very clear.
One hon member said that I said North West is the best performing province in audit outcomes. I never said that. I'm not sure whether it's Boinamo. Selectively they decided not to hear when I said that KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng are the best performing provinces. They can't say those things. What they do is to come here from their offices to listen selectively. That's why they are missing some of the issues.
With regard to the organised voice of our traditional leader ...
... Hosi Dzumeri - Mhlave - eka timhaka ta vukosi na tihuvo ta ndhavuko hi yima na n'wina. Hi ri ndzawulo hi vula tano leswaku tihuvo ta ndhavuko a ti simekiwi. Leswi hi fanelaka ku swi twisisa hi leswaku mfumo wa le xikarhi wu fanele ku hlangana na tihosi laha hi nga ta kota ku lulamisa mhaka leyi. Mhaka ya nhlangano yi le ku lulamisiweni naswona yi ta lulama ku nga ri khale. (Translation of Xitsonga paragraph follows.)
[... Chief Dzumeri - Mhlave - on the issue of chiefs and traditional courts, we are in support of him. As a department we are saying traditional courts must be established. What should be understood is that national government must convene a meeting with the chiefs where these matters will be addressed. The issue of a meeting is being attended to and it will be organised before very long.]
Co-operative governance does not mean taking over from the responsible areas, but it means facilitation so that those organs of state that have responsibilities may deal with these things. In our approach to fighting corruption we are not saying that Cogta will take the responsibility of the Special Investigating Unit, SIU, but that Cogta will work closely and partner with those entities that have investigative powers and can also conduct forensic audits.
One other point that Cope needs to understand is that it is the ANC government that introduced a dispensation in which the country became a secular state by accepting all religions. You are not supposed to raise that issue as if there is anything wrong about it. If there is any traditional healer who is victimised for whatever reason, that matter needs to be attended to. It is not the position of the government. Some people might be doing these things, but we definitely have to address them.
Having said that, let me indicate that the regulations will soon be promulgated. We are a law-abiding government. If there is a court challenge, there is nothing that we can do.
I thank all those who participated. Let me thank those men and women in my office who provide support to get us where we are. Local government is everybody's business. Let us be part of it. It does not assist to be part of it by only shouting and, as you shout, not taking the opportunity to listen to what other people are saying. We have to address these things. Thank you very much, Chairperson. [Applause.]