Hon Speaker, those measures that the hon member is talking about have been taken by the government. The police respect human rights of the citizens of this country. They do, and there is training that is given to them. I've said that there are isolated incidents. It is just like in a country where you have citizens and among them there are criminals. It doesn't mean that the entire citizenry is criminal. We cannot draw that kind of a conclusion. There will be those who will be rotten and that need to be dealt with. But we can't say that everybody in South Africa is a criminal because there is crime. We have measures to deal with that.
If you had all the time to theorise about it we could talk about the other question you are asking of whether it's a force or it's a service. The police are organised in a particular way different from an ordinary organisation or political organisation. It's not the same. That's what brings certain elements of the words to describe what this is. I don't think we can say they are not a force. But we can discuss the semantics about whether it's a service or force. This force provides a service to the country. That's what it does. [Applause.] It provides a service, it's a police force. We can debate it and we can come to an agreement if you want to. You have to convince me, and not just ask a question to say why I shouldn't call it a force. Why, is it not providing a service? Why should it be a service? Yes, it was, and it did not mean that the police were like a political party where ordinary people come together. These are police who must fall under a specific discipline, who must have different responsibilities at different levels, and who act in a particular way, precisely to give a good service to the country. Thank you, hon Speaker.