It is outrageous and unparliamentary to raise a point that is not a point of order. [Laughter.] So the point is that the ANC's economic policy is based the mixed economy. [Interjections.]
The second pillar is that of commercial cyclical fiscal budgeting. That means, when the economy is bad, the state must intervene, as it has already done overseas, where it pumped in monies to pick the economy up. When the economy behaves very well and becomes stable, then the state can withdraw. [Interjections.] The crux of the matter is that you must discuss these things in an economic framework.
We have all agreed that these executives' salaries are obscene and out of order. That is why the President of the country actually said they must be trimmed and frozen.
Finally, there are guidelines that are governing SEOs. The SOEs have a dual mandate. Firstly, they are supposed to be sustainable and operate efficiently. Secondly, they are supposed to continue towards the developmental goals of the government. That is what they are supposed to be doing. [Interjections.]