Hon Speaker, I hope that the hon member is not trying to say that this government has created the problem of education, because we are dealing with the backlog of the majority of this country who were not provided with proper education. Many were not provided with education at all. If you made a comparison between South Africa and countries that never experienced apartheid, again that comparison was not looked at prudently. You cannot compare the problems of South Africa with those of countries that had been there all the time when we, in the first instance, had to fight the monster that is apartheid and change the education system so that we could begin to catch up with those countries. These are matters that we need to bear in mind when we pose questions instead of posing questions as if we started on the same basis as other countries, because we didn't. We just started 18 years ago. We believe that we are making very good progress. [Interjections.]