I can give examples of those prominent ANC members. Mrs Winnie Mandela and Dr Pallo Jordan have expressed their misgivings about the current system. This system is affecting the poorest of the poor. How can you convince South Africans that, without textbooks in Limpopo and the Eastern Cape as well as North West, you are serious about lifting our people out of poverty? The reality is that, on the quality of the education system, South Africa is not even ranked number 140 out of 144 countries. Grade 3 learners scored 35% for literacy and 28% for numeracy. That is horrible, Mr President! We pay 15 times more per learner than Mozambique, yet, Mozambique learners outperform our learners. Is it a deliberate strategy to keep South Africans uneducated so that they become dependent on government, get grants and vote for your party? As I sit down I say you have to fire the Minister of Education. Do you have the capacity? If you don't have it, I say, sit down as well. [Interjections.] [Time expired.]