Well, hon Speaker, all that the hon member has asked I answered in the first instance. [Interjections.] If the President left his task of supervising the government and went to the department to deal with deputy directors-general and directors, I think that would be a mad situation. [Interjections.] It would be really "deurmekaar" [confusing]. [Laughter.] [Interjections.] What happens is: if we are dealing with an officer that is part of an element of the police - because is an exaggeration to say there is confusion in the Police Service ... [Interjections.] We are dealing with one element, which is an element of intelligence of the police. It is not the entire Police Service. But the way you present it, it is as if the entire Police Service is in difficulty. Not true. [Interjections.]
Now, once that happens, you have, in the first instance, the commissioner, who directs the officers below him. He reports to the Minister, who is a political supervisor of the department. The Minister reports to the President. You are now calling for the President to jump past the Minister, jump past the commissioner and go to deal with operational matters. That cannot be right. [Interjections.] You do not run governments in that way. You probably don't have experience of running a government. [Interjections.] [Applause.] That's why you think that is how it can be done. That can't be right.
The President must wait for those people to whom he has assigned that job to come back to him. If the President thinks there is something wrong, what the President can do is to say, "Minister, what is happening?" [Interjections.] And the President has done so.