Chairperson, can I use the extra time that was left by the last speaker?
Thank you very much, colleagues - through you, Chairperson - for an instructive debate. I said in the other House the other day that one leaves here with more information and having been educated, rather than as a Minister who comes to speak, is asked questions and then just goes away again. You do not know just how much we take away from these debates. The team is sitting there with the director-general and all the advisers and we have been listening very, very carefully. I have a request: Those of you who have formal notes, can we please have your speeches, if you don't mind? Otherwise we will get them from Hansard.
Hon Groenewald, thanks for nominating me for president, but in the ANC we do things differently. [Laughter.] I also thank you for echoing our sentiments in your observations regarding corruption. Corruption is not to be tolerated - we agree with you. We are saying the parties should discipline and deal with their corrupt councillors. Those of us who are sitting here as Ministers and Members of Parliament can do only that much. It is the parties that deploy people. On the basis of those deployments, you know what your councillors are doing. If a councillor is corrupt, let the parties act. On our side, we act: I have indicated to you the number of people who were arrested and disciplined, as well as the amount of money that was recouped from those corrupt practices, but we don't want that to be our job. So, we are asking the parties to take action as well.
Hon Sibande, you spoke about "from shelter to human settlements". That is exactly what the philosophy of our Ministry is all about. Spatial planning by apartheid has been the dehumanisation of the people. This Ministry was established to humanise the people. Unfortunately, sir, I couldn't get more from the education you were offering because you were denied by Rule 51, I think, from educating us further. Can we have your speech documentation? Anyway, you echoed the Human Settlements vision for 2030.
Hon Madikizela, we understand. You have a difficult province like Gauteng to run. We understand the challenges. [Interjections.] What are they saying?