That is what we need to know, that when you build on one side or you pay on one side, you must take from the other side. It is this balance that we must arrive at and not turn away from, against our own policies. I was happy when the DA said that they supported tolling. All I am asking is that they say so publicly. [Laughter.] Don't go and park your big vans, as if there is an election campaign, at a case that is being heard, which we are not worried about. Then, suddenly: "My toll is my tax." You know it is not true. If your toll was your tax, why is the person in Transkei not happy with that road when he pays the tax? Why is the tax only paid for Cape Town, Durban and Johannesburg? [Interjections.]