Those are the facts, yes. So I'm saying that, ideally, they should never ever do business with government. The market is large enough to have lots of goodwill. They can do business anywhere and everywhere in the private sector. But, as an investor, you know, you put your money in a bank and they put your money in a unit trust and that unit trust puts money in a company. You have no control over that. [Interjections.]
So, what I am saying is that, where there is clear evidence of manipulation, we would be the first ones to say, "Let us deal with this here". We will be the first ones to say so, that here there is a clear case and evidence of manipulation of processes. So, that should not happen. We say Chancellor House should not do so. It should not do business in a way which gives it an advantage because it is an investment wing of the ANC. That should not happen. That is our position. Thank you. [Applause.]