Thank you, Mr Speaker. Hon Deputy President, will you agree that the Ministers are the leaders in their ministries and therefore in their departments, and that they should always set an impeccable example in how they run their own ministries? If so, is the fact that they all too often book into luxurious hotels, ... [Interjections.] ... maybe travel too much, maybe drive the cars they should not, not sending the wrong message to the departments, who can then say: The ministries do not care, so why should we as departments?